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[MechaBattler]

I was working on a Blackjack with 6 LPPCs. Then I realized if I went with 2 HPPCs I'd actually save more weight since they're cooler and can just place both on one side allowing for stripping arm armor.

Does anyone else think it just needs a little more love?

[aardappelianen]

3 lppc's are actually lighter than a hppc lol, but yeah lppc's need some love
Especially those one my Uziel's

[MechaBattler]

aardappelianen, on 18 March 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

3 lppc's are actually lighter than a hppc lol, but yeah lppc's need some love
Especially those one my Uziel's

Yes. For the same damage we're talking 1 tonnage saved. They both have the same range, velocity, and min distance. But each LPPC is 5 heat for 5 damage. Where as HPPCs are 14.5 heat for 15 damage. And you can fire both HPPCs. While having to alternate 3 LPPCs to get around ghost heat.

[FupDup]

My preferred solution as I've said in 1329812934 different threads would be for a bit faster cooldown on the weapon. At minimum 0.5 seconds faster, maybe more if that is discovered to still be lacking. Pushes it into a slightly different niche away from the other PPC types such that they can all co-exist without stepping on each other's toes too much.

[Khobai]

6 damage would be the best way to fix them

PPCs arnt supposed to fire fast

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 18 March 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

6 damage would be the best way to fix them

PPCs arnt supposed to fire fast

3.5 seconds or so isn't really what I would call "fast" so much as "less slow."

[Khobai]

3.5 seconds is fine

but some people have previously suggested giving it like a 2.0 or 2.5 cooldown which was absurd

[MechaBattler]

I agree with FupDup, faster cooldown would make them unique to other PPCs.

[PocketYoda]

Remove its 90 meters then lights could use them properly

[Zergling]

Samial, on 18 March 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

Remove its 90 meters then lights could use them properly

TBH, I'd just remove the min range from all PPCs, and find some other benefit to the Snub.

[arcana75]

MechaBattler, on 18 March 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

I was working on a Blackjack with 6 LPPCs. Then I realized if I went with 2 HPPCs I'd actually save more weight since they're cooler and can just place both on one side allowing for stripping arm armor.

Does anyone else think it just needs a little more love?

Interestingly I field my BJ-3 with 2xSnubs and 2xLPPC. Firing all 4 gets toasty but you have firepower at all ranges..

[The6thMessenger]

Yeah, they really need something other than be a light-weight PPC filler.

Khobai, on 18 March 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

3.5 seconds is fine

but some people have previously suggested giving it like a 2.0 or 2.5 cooldown which was absurd

No, it's not absurd, it's reasonable. If you give LPPC a different approach that doesn't tread on other PPC's thing, it will thrive.

Right now we have 4 weapons practically doing the same thing (thing = PPFLD poke) mostly differing in availability and degree, that's why it's hard to justify using the lighter versions when the heaviest ones aren't an issue in getting built.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 19 March 2018 - 04:08 AM.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Yup, any way to make LPPCs a viable choice is fine by me

[Yosharian]

It's complete shite, sell it and act like it doesn't exist, just like RACs, LRMs and Streaks

Edited by Yosharian, 19 March 2018 - 04:17 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

LPPCS need something. Removing the min range would make it a nice option for light mechs. Decreased cool down would make it more attractive overall. Increasing the damage also would make sense.

[Snowbluff]

Samial, on 18 March 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

Remove its 90 meters then lights could use them properly

... Use a snubnose. It has the same damage/ton. :l

[Verilligo]

All PPCs could use some love. They aren't BAD weapons at the moment, but they're fairly niche and hard to include in builds that don't specialize in them. What I would do is for the LPPC is bring its heat from 5.0 to 4.5, its cooldown from 4.0 to 3.5, add exponential damage decay below 90m, increase velocity from 1200 to 1500, and bump the ghost heat limit increased from 3 to 4. If you're going to do that, though, you likely have to make modifications to all OTHER PPCs to keep them in line with the improvements to the LPPC, mostly in regards to heat-to-damage ratio. So the regular PPC goes from 9.50 to 8.50 heat, SNPPC from 10.0 to 9.0 heat (although I would drop it to 8.0 heat), HPPC from 14.50 to 13.50 heat, IS-ERPPC from 13.50 to 12.50 heat, and C-ERPPC from 14.50 to 13.50 heat.

Relatively minor improvements, but it's a lot OF them. That's the trouble of adding an extra weapon that is the same as some other weapon that all other weapons of its type are balanced against except this one is half the strength, and then going back and messing with it.

[DAYLEET]

Samial, on 18 March 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

Remove its 90 meters then lights could use them properly

This would unlock their potential imo. Im using 3 on a Panther 9R and its pretty damn fun to shoot 15 points of damage for next to no heat at 600m. But i have to sacrifice speed to carry a srm launcher+ammo because i cant stand builds that gets useless. My 10k has 2 erppc and hes a heat monster. I cant see using the 10k anymore for ppcs as the 9r are just flat out better.

[Stridercal]

PPCs are mostly fine. My big problem is that there's no damage drop-off. 90 meters? Boom! 89 meters? Sad trombone. STUPID! I'd also like to see a velocity increase across the board, but that's really it.

Oh, and clan ERPPCs should do pinpoint damage. LOL!

Edited by Stridercal, 19 March 2018 - 01:47 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Zergling, on 18 March 2018 - 10:50 PM, said:

TBH, I'd just remove the min range from all PPCs, and find some other benefit to the Snub.

~1pt heat reduction would be a good place to start. It's already got tonnage going for it, and it's the only IS 10pt PPFLD that'll fit in a CT, so it'd still have a niche even without buffs- albeit a smaller one than at present. A little less heat would give it better synergy with other brawl weapons and present a viable alternative to pulse lasers.