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[LordNothing]

if this event shows anything its that fp events have a way of making things fun and interesting, but the same thing in qp is boredom incarnate. even normal non-event qp is dull as it comes.

you got first of all the same maps over and over, the combat avoident play of the campy lermy crowd, landslides. seriously the worst game in fp was maybe 20 to 48. compare thant with 12-2s in qp. that means a lot more people got to break stuff. then you got the wait to play ratio, which is downright terrible. for every game expect to spend about half of that just waiting.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 March 2018 - 12:52 AM.

[El Bandito]

I suppose having 44 meatshields can really allow you to farm damage and LP, if you play your cards right.

[aardappelianen]

Potatos wont tell you to know FP or gtfo, ridicule you for your mech choice or spam the comms with salt because they know it all and they can't deal with the fact that the way they are talking pisses ppl off into purposefully ignoring them

[Bombast]

I suppose that's just your opinion. Personally I find pug FP to be the most insufferable mess I've laid hands on in years. The recent Steiner/Davion event has magnified that several times over. Seriously, no wonder IS doesn't win events.

Edited by Bombast, 28 March 2018 - 02:59 AM.

[TWIAFU]

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[aardappelianen]

Bombast, on 28 March 2018 - 02:27 AM, said:

I suppose that's just your opinion. Personally I find pug QP to be the most insufferable mess I've laid hands on in years. The recent Steiner/Davion event has magnified that several times over. Seriously, no wonder IS doesn't win events.

Ah yes recent davion steiner event is a whole different kind mess, matching takes significantly longer and there are masses of non unit, non badge pilots in non meta mechs wich leads me conclude that most loyalist veterans dont find a million cbills, a mug and a faction warhorn appealing enough to break loyalty
Wich leaves a greater than normal portion of free/noob players willing to participate in this particular event while many veterans ar not even bothering

I would never have broken loyalty for this either if i didnt had 17 lootbags still to collect wich includes free mc's
This means i go into faction play with a 1/4 mastered dropdeck and im sure there are many like me wich further increases the chaos of the current event
Hillariously though the curent fp feels more balanced this way

[TWIAFU]

Bombast, on 28 March 2018 - 02:27 AM, said:

I suppose that's just your opinion. Personally I find pug QP to be the most insufferable mess I've laid hands on in years. The recent Steiner/Davion event has magnified that several times over. Seriously, no wonder IS doesn't win events.

Well, most play CW like it is QP with respwan. They are easy to spot. Easier to kill.

[TWIAFU]

aardappelianen, on 28 March 2018 - 02:45 AM, said:

Wich leaves a greater than normal portion of free/noob players willing to participate in this particular event while many veterans ar not even bothering

Hillariously though the curent fp feels more balanced this way

I would think, only based on my friends in Unit, that most Vet's value Loyality more then crapbags and the extra hoops to jump through.

Of course it would 'feel' more balanced when you only have idiots fighting idiots. If all they know is QP 'tactics' of peek a boo.

Problems start when QP with respawn mindset players play against players playing CW.

QP with respawn get rolled, hard.

[Eisenhorne]

TWIAFU, on 28 March 2018 - 02:43 AM, said:

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I do feel like I'm using my teammates as meat shields sometimes, and while I don't like it, its not my fault I brought the correct mech for the job and my teammates brought nothing but SRM brawlers. If we get Boreal, as defense or attack, I'm going to be one of the few guys with 4 ERLL mechs. I tell everyone else to bring them in the pregame lobby, but nobody listens. So of course I sit back at 700M or so picking off enemies while my teammates brawl and die. You can call PUSH all you want, I'm not going to be brawling with sniper mechs.

Or if I bring trading mechs, my teammates will get in there and brawl and die while I stand a bit behind them. I'm often one of the first through the gate, I just kinda sprint to cover and trade a corner while the rest of my team advances and dies. Some of my teammates will do 300-400 damage total, and I feel that unless I do everything in my power to do as much damage as possible I won't be able to carry them successfully, so I do what it takes to kill enemies while the puggles die. It's not like I'm on my first mech as everyone else on their 3rd though (unless teammates reinforce an attack...), so whatever.

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[PocketYoda]

It's not in the slightest.. I only slogged through this event because of loot boxes and horns.. If they had not been there i'd be in QP the whole time..

Being stomped in QP is far faster than being stomped in FW, standard faction rewards are not worth that dealing with toxic people berating you the whole match.

Dealing with broken tiers and pre mades is not a fun game to play.

TWIAFU, on 28 March 2018 - 02:43 AM, said:

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My point exactly, not worth doing this garbage, at least in QP its over and these tools are gone..

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[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

LordNothing, on 28 March 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

qp is boredom incarnate. even normal non-event qp is dull as it comes.

[Bombast]

Samial, on 28 March 2018 - 03:43 AM, said:

Being stomped in QP is far faster than being stomped in FW, standard faction rewards are not worth that dealing with toxic people berating you the whole match.

Could always Scout. Nothing is faster than scouting.

[Asym]

Samial, on 28 March 2018 - 03:43 AM, said:

It's not in the slightest.. I only slogged through this event because of loot boxes and horns.. If they had not been there i'd be in QP the whole time..

Being stomped in QP is far faster than being stomped in FW, standard faction rewards are not worth that dealing with toxic people berating you the whole match.

Dealing with broken tiers and pre mades is not a fun game to play.


My point exactly, not worth doing this garbage, at least in QP its over and these tools are gone..

And, as the saying goes: "you reap what you sow". FP is dead and the teams that encouraged anti-social game play and exploited new players are still doing the same thing......driving off people and crowing how great they are???

I guess they haven't been reading game tech news of late. Where the entire video game genre is talking and working together to find ways to eliminate anti-social behaviors and toxic players... And, discussing what the game corporations themselves have done to allow such behaviors (toxic meritocracy, individualized P2W micro-transactions, individualized P2W loot bags, P2W itself, etc,,,)

MWO could be such a great game and it has been reduced to "us and them"; sadly, PGI has allowed it and players and complete teams have left..... Some visit and some have moved on.

FP should be closed indefinitely once Solaris drops.... The toxic few then will have to compete 1x1/2x2 and that will only last a short while....because, in teams, the team itself generates acceptance of bad behaviors and encourages it because they are "winning" and no one can stop them....they can say or do anything they want... Of course, "those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" comes to mind because those types of anti-social and culturally toxic actions never work out well for anyone throughout history. (Santayana, Vol. 1, Reason and Common Sense, 1905-06).

In the end, just play what little of this game you enjoy and Ignore the "few" that just can't see the forest through the trees....

[Johnny Z]

Faction play is good now. Has been for a while because matches are quite quick now that lobbies are gone and there is a match maker. ("some" players asked for lobbies and I always thought it was a mistake, lost a lot of players there, got to be able to play the game...)

But only thing to earn in faction play is credits so quickplay will always be more popular for quick matches and grinding. Gaining rank is great until reaching max..

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 March 2018 - 08:06 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Asym, on 28 March 2018 - 07:35 AM, said:

And, as the saying goes: "you reap what you sow". FP is dead and the teams that encouraged anti-social game play and exploited new players are still doing the same thing......driving off people and crowing how great they are???

I guess they haven't been reading game tech news of late. Where the entire video game genre is talking and working together to find ways to eliminate anti-social behaviors and toxic players... And, discussing what the game corporations themselves have done to allow such behaviors (toxic meritocracy, individualized P2W micro-transactions, individualized P2W loot bags, P2W itself, etc,,,)

MWO could be such a great game and it has been reduced to "us and them"; sadly, PGI has allowed it and players and complete teams have left..... Some visit and some have moved on.

FP should be closed indefinitely once Solaris drops.... The toxic few then will have to compete 1x1/2x2 and that will only last a short while....because, in teams, the team itself generates acceptance of bad behaviors and encourages it because they are "winning" and no one can stop them....they can say or do anything they want... Of course, "those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" comes to mind because those types of anti-social and culturally toxic actions never work out well for anyone throughout history. (Santayana, Vol. 1, Reason and Common Sense, 1905-06).

In the end, just play what little of this game you enjoy and Ignore the "few" that just can't see the forest through the trees....

So....teams = the devil?

Seriously man...I been in thousands of FW matches probably....sure there are a some FW regulars that talk trash here or there...and while that isn’t my thing (and I don’t approve of it), it’s generally pretty benign in the grand scheme and if it’s a unit trash talking...it’s usually to a rival unit or a friend even on the other team. It’s not aimed at the solo PUGs, cause no FW teams feel the need to prove how great they are to PUGs....the scoreboard does all the talking that is needed. The guys I see trash talking PUGs or new players on the other team are 9/10 solo PUGs themselves. This doesn’t make solos “toxic”...but when they are on the side delivering the beat down they just might get too pumped or something. In sports there is something to “acting like you have been there before” and FW teams have all “been there before”...in that they have had many victories where they have just crushed the other team...so their is little need to dance on their graves. Solo PUGs have often taken 48-18 beatings, but don’t give them often...so they can get a bit cocky...and I get why that is...it’s fun for them to give the punch Vs. Taking it.

Now, if you are talking about getting slammed by ones own teammates....well that’s 9/10 times because the player went into a team based mode (FW) with no intention of actually trying to play with the team. They just wanted to do their own thing...not a lot of folks (unit or no unit...save a few people who play similarly selfish) will find sympathy for such players.

[Dee Eight]

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Bombast, on 28 March 2018 - 03:56 AM, said:

Could always Scout. Nothing is faster than scouting.

Check your pm's...

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[Johnny Z]

The "Fight Now" button isn't working in faction play so that's got to be hurting it a bit.

[GreyVonne]

No matchmaker?

[Novakaine]

FW..................

[LordNothing]

Eisenhorne, on 28 March 2018 - 03:28 AM, said:

I do feel like I'm using my teammates as meat shields sometimes, and while I don't like it, its not my fault I brought the correct mech for the job and my teammates brought nothing but SRM brawlers. If we get Boreal, as defense or attack, I'm going to be one of the few guys with 4 ERLL mechs. I tell everyone else to bring them in the pregame lobby, but nobody listens. So of course I sit back at 700M or so picking off enemies while my teammates brawl and die. You can call PUSH all you want, I'm not going to be brawling with sniper mechs.

Or if I bring trading mechs, my teammates will get in there and brawl and die while I stand a bit behind them. I'm often one of the first through the gate, I just kinda sprint to cover and trade a corner while the rest of my team advances and dies. Some of my teammates will do 300-400 damage total, and I feel that unless I do everything in my power to do as much damage as possible I won't be able to carry them successfully, so I do what it takes to kill enemies while the puggles die. It's not like I'm on my first mech as everyone else on their 3rd though (unless teammates reinforce an attack...), so whatever.

i like to give people my first drop to see if my team is worthy of victory or is better used as meatshields. then i usually have a good game after that.

on the is side ive had a lot of luck with mrm brawlers/skirmishers. same high damage but can engage at moderate ranges if the need arises. but pure campers can be as bad as pure brawlers imho.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 March 2018 - 03:46 PM.