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[Xiphias]

Cicada is actually pretty solid if you play it right. Either the 2B with 5MPL or the 2A with 6ERML (my standard for solo) can work pretty well. ERMLs let you kite the slower clan mediums and it has more armor than clan lights.

[Exilyth]

Ran a BSW-HR w/MRM30, 4xML, 3xLMG.
Suprised some people, got suprised by others.

Could have ran 2x LBX10 or LBX10/RAC5 + MRM40, but I wanted to try something different.

Bushwacker strong, but BSW-P1 > BSW-HR.

Edit:
Also Blackjack bad - a squishy barndoor that just dies when half your lance looks at it.

Edited by Exilyth, 28 March 2018 - 05:47 AM.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 27 March 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

Ah, I'm so used to the legging meta of scouting that I forget about people going for zombie builds in the mode. Got a few squad mates who run XLs in their Bushwackers and never die of side torso loss.

Seen more than few XL bushwankers during steiner-davion event, and they did died from ST loss. But maybe that's because lots of casual players went scouting and they're not used to legging meta.

[arcana75]

Nema Nabojiv, on 28 March 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Seen more than few XL bushwankers during steiner-davion event, and they did died from ST loss. But maybe that's because lots of casual players went scouting and they're not used to legging meta.

During FW events where most pugs do Scouting, most players field BSW and when they do they do XL or LFE. In that vid I linked, I was in a STD BSW, and I solo-killed 2 BSW via torso kills despite being in a 3v1 situation. Yes there was a Raven with me, but all 3 were aiming me. To top it off the 3 are in a premade unit so there was coordination on their part.

With the lower MS requirement, we are seeing more varied builds, but most won't be bothered to switch around, and just field their usual splat builds for damage farming. If I wasn't specifically going for the 10 kill/KMDD requirement I'd just field a KTO-18 with streaks.

[Horseman]

Davegt27, on 27 March 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

I have a Cicada but like my light Mechs I never use that thing more notes

I did not change my load-outs just ran them to see how they would do IS vs IS and the crab was a pleasant surprise
we jumped for joy when we saw an assassin they are quick kills
the once great Griffins where a big disappointment

I know I will get hammered for my opinion (potato's are ment to be shot at not heard lol)
what are you guys rankings??

I rank the griffins higher, but it depends on the build - I'm the madman running GRF-5M with an XL engine in scouting... and brawling with MGs.

Enforcers... well, TBH I wouldn't put much stock in the 4R, 5P is redundant with Shadowhawk 5M, but the 4P can be pretty brutal if with it's arm-mounted AC/20 (or UAC/20 if you prefer).

Limited hardpoints on Centurions scream bloody murder... I'll take an Enforcer over a Cent in Scouting any day (perhaps with exception of YLW).

Edited by Horseman, 28 March 2018 - 11:23 AM.

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Horseman, on 28 March 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

Limited hardpoints on Centurions scream bloody murder... I'll take an Enforcer over a Cent in Scouting any day (perhaps with exception of YLW).

While I use my Bushwackers for the IS scouting, the Centurion CN9-AH makes for a solid brawler for the same reason as the Yen-Lo-Wang (ability to fit an AC20 and 20% worth of cooldown quirks for it) CN9-AH.

A few well-placed AC20 rounds can quickly ruin someone's day.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Nema Nabojiv, on 28 March 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Seen more than few XL bushwankers during steiner-davion event, and they did died from ST loss. But maybe that's because lots of casual players went scouting and they're not used to legging meta.

It helps a lot that as a 4 man team casuals don't have time to kill any of us if they're not aiming for legs in the first place.

[Bombast]

gh0s7m3rc, on 28 March 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

BSW-P1 with 6xSRM4 + 1xML and a LFE or a WVR-6K with 4xLL on the RA, plus a ERML on the Head and a RL-20 on the LT and a LFE; the latter I only use on Grim or Polar where range fighting is typical, and the 4xLL in chainfire is nice for legging the clams.

(and a KTO-18 with 4xSSRM6 + 1xMPL for Damage-relevant events )

Is the extra 3 damage (Over an ERML) worth the ghost heat on that Wolverine?

[Nema Nabojiv]

Oh, also, thanks to this event I finally made peace with my loyalty centurion. I had a bad time before with machineguns and srms or mrms, but now I found it somehow works with ac20 and srms.

[KodiakGW]

Can’t say too much as to which ones because I used this to help level my two most recent acquisitions. Yen Lo and a Bushy. The Bushy performed as well as expected. Also took the 4P for a spin.

What, nobody saying Hellspawns? Surprising...

I will agree with those that say this was a lot of fun. Lots of well fought battles. More fun than the IS vs Clan event prior.

I wonder. Which will be the king of the Clan vs Clan event. SCR, Huntsman,......Lanner? LOLOLOLOL

[arcana75]

KodiakGW, on 28 March 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

Can’t say too much as to which ones because I used this to help level my two most recent acquisitions. Yen Lo and a Bushy. The Bushy performed as well as expected. Also took the 4P for a spin.

What, nobody saying Hellspawns? Surprising...

I will agree with those that say this was a lot of fun. Lots of well fought battles. More fun than the IS vs Clan event prior.

I wonder. Which will be the king of the Clan vs Clan event. SCR, Huntsman,......Lanner? LOLOLOLOL

I toyed with my hellspawn, even loaded one out. Then I looked at the armour and said no.

I have the Lanner but for the event I rather field my fully skilled Huntsman and Stormcrows. Even as a newish player I feel not fully skilled mechs shouldn't be fielded in FP.

[Mortalcoil]

Why is the Bushwacker rated so much better than the griffin? The Griffin 3M has structure quirks vs armor quirks. I get armor quirks are better, but the Griffin has almost twice the structure quirks of the BSW. On top of that the Griffin has jump jets, which are always more helpful than people realize. The 3M also has the underrated missile velocity quirks, and if you want ECM, which is actually pretty damn good against the SSRM heavy clans, there's always the 2N. So why is the BSW so much better than the Griffin. Are the hit boxes and armor quirks THAT much better than the Griffin? I still love my Griffin 2N, also, flamers are awesome and underrated.

[Bombast]

Mortalcoil, on 28 March 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Why is the Bushwacker rated so much better than the griffin? The Griffin 3M has structure quirks vs armor quirks. I get armor quirks are better, but the Griffin has almost twice the structure quirks of the BSW. On top of that the Griffin has jump jets, which are always more helpful than people realize. The 3M also has the underrated missile velocity quirks, and if you want ECM, which is actually pretty damn good against the SSRM heavy clans, there's always the 2N. So why is the BSW so much better than the Griffin. Are the hit boxes and armor quirks THAT much better than the Griffin? I still love my Griffin 2N, also, flamers are awesome and underrated.

Armors worth way more than structure. Combine that with hit boxes, and the Bushwacker is considerably tougher than the Griffin.

ECM is nice against pugs who don't understand Streaks need targeting equipment, but anyone competent is going to beat your ECM somehow.

[Mortalcoil]

Also, why does nobody even talk about the Kintaro. It has the best mobility of the bunch, free 20% damage reduction to CT, 5 missile hardpoints, best armor quirks, and best missile quirks to cd, heat, and velocity.

[Bombast]

Mortalcoil, on 28 March 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

Also, why does nobody even talk about the Kintaro. It has the best mobility of the bunch, free 20% damage reduction to CT, 5 missile hardpoints, best armor quirks, and best missile quirks to cd, heat, and velocity.

It's mobility isn't significantly superior, CT destruction is rare against all but a few mechs in Scouting, and it in fact does not have the best missile quirks. That is a title belonging to the TBT-7M.

EDIT: The Kintaro actually was the talk of the town during the last FP event, actually. Tons of them running around. They are competent scouters, but they don't really stand out in any particular area. And the Bushwacker's toughness is just so much better.

Edited by Bombast, 28 March 2018 - 07:24 PM.

[Mortalcoil]

Bombast, on 28 March 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

It's mobility isn't significantly superior, CT destruction is rare against all but a few mechs in Scouting, and it in fact does not have the best missile quirks. That is a title belonging to the TBT-7M.

EDIT: The Kintaro actually was the talk of the town during the last FP event, actually. Tons of them running around. They are competent scouters, but they don't really stand out in any particular area. And the Bushwacker's toughness is just so much better.

Sorry, I was referring specifically to only 55 ton mechs. I thought this was self explanatory because I was only talking about Griffins and Bushwackers. I care about the 55 tonners because that's all I bring to scouting unless I need a faster mech to counter hit and run tactics or for intel gathering.

[Bombast]

Mortalcoil, on 28 March 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

Sorry, I was referring specifically to only 55 ton mechs. I thought this was self explanatory because I was only talking about Griffins and Bushwackers. I care about the 55 tonners because that's all I bring to scouting unless I need a faster mech to counter hit and run tactics or for intel gathering.

Same criticisms stand - The Bushwacker is still tougher, and the mobility isn't that big of a deal. 10% Cooldown is good but not ground breaking, and 5% heat is a bonus but it's not going to make a huge deal.

Unrelated fun fact - The BSW-X2 is just as agile as a KTO-18. That's the double (Technically triple, but who cares about arms) ballistic Bushwacker though, not the missile one.

[Horseman]

Mortalcoil, on 28 March 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

Also, why does nobody even talk about the Kintaro. It has the best mobility of the bunch, free 20% damage reduction to CT, 5 missile hardpoints, best armor quirks, and best missile quirks to cd, heat, and velocity.

I thought the same, but found that those arms - along with your energy hardpoints and two of your missile hardpoints - tend to get shot off fairly often.

Edited by Horseman, 28 March 2018 - 10:26 PM.

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KodiakGW, on 28 March 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

What, nobody saying Hellspawns? Surprising...

While I know people were underwhelmed by the Hellspawn, I actually don't mind the ugly little fella. Unfortunately its weight and the weapons that work well with it kind of push it into a no-man's land where it's not an ideal chassis for scouting play.

Arguments can be made for SRM based builds on the HSN-9F and HSN-8P variants (4 and 5 missile hardpoints respectively), but for the most part it's too light to be the 80 to 90kph brawling medium and too big to be the 120kph+ light hit-and-run harasser. Fill any Hellspawn with MRMs and medium lasers (regular or ER versions) and an LFE engine and they're nice little mechs for poking and retreating, but that gameplay style and those weapons aren't ideal for scouting play.