21 replies to this topic

[Cementi]

Good to know, thanks.

[Khobai]

doesnt really make any sense why you cant cap with stealth armor on

ecm gives bigger stealth benefits but you can still cap with ecm stealthing you

[Snowbluff]

Khobai, on 24 July 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

doesnt really make any sense why you cant cap with stealth armor on

ecm gives bigger stealth benefits but you can still cap with ecm stealthing you

The active transmissions from your transponder would give you away.

When you're using the ECM without the armor, it probably runs at a much higher power. When stealth armor is on, the armor is absorbing radar waves, so the ECM output drops so people don't detect the jamming.

[Methanoid]

you also cant use TAG's, you see the beam but the targets dont get tagged, also when another mech counter ecm's you, you lose stealth and get lit up like a christmas tree.

Asides from maps that happen to be set in night time im finding stealth armor to be more self detrimental than useful.

Edited by Methanoid, 24 July 2017 - 10:45 PM.

[Requiemking]

Methanoid, on 24 July 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

you also cant use TAG's, you see the beam but the targets dont get tagged, also when another mech counter ecm's you, you lose stealth and get lit up like a christmas tree.

Asides from maps that happen to be set in night time im finding stealth armor to be more self detrimental than useful.

Well, I find it's actually most useful for running away, terribly fast. No, seriously. I tested it out on Live with Pirates Bane, and I was able to chase an Arctic Cheetah(Speaking of whom, who was the genius that though a single HLL on a Cheetah was a good idea? Especially when taking on a Locust) all the way across Tourmaline, using the Stealth armor to run away from his comrades.

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

Seems like stealth armour works so well, even the game doesn't recognise you any more !

[Mystere]

Methanoid, on 24 July 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

you also cant use TAG's, you see the beam but the targets dont get tagged ...

What? How on earth does that even make sense?

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Mystere, on 24 July 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

What? How on earth does that even make sense?

I think it makes, because your mechs active radar and sersor systems are off when using it.

[Mystere]

Teer Kerensky, on 25 July 2017 - 12:36 AM, said:

I think it makes, because your mechs active radar and sersor systems are off when using it.

But the spectral scattering produced by TAG is visible to the entire team, not just the one using it. That's how it's supposed to work.

[Coolant]

Good catch, OP, ty

[HGAK47]

Does anyone even like stealth armour or has found a good build to use it with?

I have only tried it on my PB and it seemed like a total waste of time.

[Novakaine]

Cyclops they never saw me coming

[ocular tb]

HGAK47, on 25 July 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Does anyone even like stealth armour or has found a good build to use it with?

I have only tried it on my PB and it seemed like a total waste of time.

Tried it on the Darkdeath for a couple matches and didn't think much of it. It's usefulness will probably be situational at best.

[jss78]

HGAK47, on 25 July 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Does anyone even like stealth armour or has found a good build to use it with?

I have only tried it on my PB and it seemed like a total waste of time.

I'm curious too, and especially whether it's any use in slower and heavier 'mechs with ECM.

[Appogee]

Snowbluff, on 24 July 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

The active transmissions from your transponder would give you away.

When you're using the ECM without the armor, it probably runs at a much higher power. When stealth armor is on, the armor is absorbing radar waves, so the ECM output drops so people don't detect the jamming.

Or... it's a bug But I think I prefer your explanation, actually.

HGAK47, on 25 July 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

I have only tried it on my PB and it seemed like a total waste of time.

Why is that? Surely being able to approach from behind while invisible - and not being able to be targeted - once you've shot them - is valuable in sneak attacks...?

Edited by Appogee, 25 July 2017 - 10:28 AM.

[HGAK47]

Appogee, on 25 July 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

Or... it's a bug But I think I prefer your explanation, actually.


Why is that? Surely being able to approach from behind while invisible - and not being able to be targeted - once you've shot them - is valuable in sneak attacks...?

That was my initial thoughts too.

The ECM however already does everything I need. What little benefit does the stealth armour even give in practice? Besides to use it correctly you need to micro manage it.... I dont need the hassle of managing my heat, managing my positioning, managing my ECM mode as well as managing yet another toggle that I am likely to forget at some point.

I think I will try it again with other builds, that might give me a better time with it.

Edited by HGAK47, 25 July 2017 - 11:56 AM.

[Khobai]

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What little benefit does the stealth armour even give in practice?

all it does is hide you from heat vision and stop people from seeing your damage ragdoll under 300m.

so basically it does nothing.


it makes absolutely no sense for stealth armor to be a weak-*** addon to ecm that way costs more than ecm does and does way less than ecm does.

they need to get rid of ecm stealth completely. nowhere in battletech does it say ecm grants stealth. its not an ability ecm ever shouldve had.

stealth armor should be a standalone piece of equipment and the only thing in the game that grants stealth. clans wouldnt have stealth then, but clans dont use stealth anyway in lore, its against their code of honor. And you could give clans stronger ams to make up for not having stealth.

Edited by Khobai, 25 July 2017 - 12:01 PM.

[LupusK9]

Requiemking, on 24 July 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

Well, I find it's actually most useful for running away, terribly fast. No, seriously. I tested it out on Live with Pirates Bane, and I was able to chase an Arctic Cheetah(Speaking of whom, who was the genius that though a single HLL on a Cheetah was a good idea? Especially when taking on a Locust) all the way across Tourmaline, using the Stealth armor to run away from his comrades.

not true

[Atomic Hamster]

Yes, found this out during one conquest game - suddenly noticed that the point I was 'holding' wasn't ticking down - embarrassing to say the least! Also found out the hard way that activating stealth isn't an escape option if enemies already have a lock on you (thinking about it, that would be ridiculously OP).

Although it's a lot more situational than you might expect, have found it really useful on some occasions (for example, the enemy not having a clue where you are can be incredibly useful in close conquest games).

Edited by Atomic Hamster, 01 April 2018 - 01:47 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Didnt know that either thanks.

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