Wil McCullough, on 09 April 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:
it's not generalization when i'm listing exact comparisons with exact mechs. and yes, it's hella outlandish (glad you noticed!) but true.
panthers/wolfhounds etc are literally larger than some medium mechs like the viper and cicada. check out the comparison here:
https://mwomercs.com...es-and-numbers/
the linebacker (a heavy mech) has agility on par with most lights. the linebacker has base agility of 45.39. that actually flat out beats the agility of lights like the firestarter, panther, raven, adder. urbies, cheetahs, kitfoxes and jenner iics have an agility of 50, which is for all purposes on par with the linebacker.
i'm not bs-ing you. once again, you can check out the sheet here:
https://mwomercs.com...reference-sheet
the cougar, a gunboat light, goes at 81kph without speed upgrades if you stick a max engine into assaults like the pretty baby and the dragon slayer, 81kph is exactly how fast they go without speed upgrades. and you can't even swap out the engine on the cougar because it's am omnimech. play around with loadouts on smurfy and you'd realize this to be true as well.
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basically, there are lights the size of mediums, lights with the agility of a heavy mech and lights with the top speed of an assault. not altogether, but still. just look at the wolfhound. it's regarded as one of the best lights and even it suffers from major problems. it has the size of a medium, agility only SLIGHTLY better (54.63) than the linebacker (45.39).
that's one of the best light mechs a light pilot can field. and still, people are whinging about lights, even when the state of lights is as outlandish as you just realized.
I see what you're getting at here. I like it! Classifications for mecha in this game isn't soley based upon height so much as it is armor/weight. Haven't actually seen height comparisons of these things on a list like this since I was trying to gauge height based on Mobile Suits from way back when, so this is pretty good even outside of this debate. Its a good comparison which tells me that a lot of these mechs are roughly around the same height, save for the more extreme examples.
That said, the Light in question here(Pirahna) are one of the Lights that are primarily overused that are capable of just shoving themselves underneath the LoS of most Assaults and just sitting there without consequence as they blast away. I'm not speaking about any of these extreme examples of lights behaving as meds, or meds outpacing lights, but the ones that are being abused like the Lynx, Pirahna, Commando. I typically don't care if I get outflanked by a light while piloting my assault, but its when one just hugs me and no amount of any downward firing arc is capable of hitting it.
I remember back when I first found out they could just do that, then tried it myself in a Lynx and just said to myself after soloing 2 Annihilators: "Wow.....This feels corny as hell.."
I use almost as little effort with my MG light as I do with my LRM boat whenever I manage to get high damage numbers, which isn't saying much.
I'm sure when people are complaining about Lights, they mean these types. I've even spotted Piranhas making a straight mad-dash for me, with a complete linear trajectory, and just swearing that their 300ping connection is going to save them from a complete onslaught before they can just sit below me and fire away with ease.
So yeah, you raise a good point on the overall comparisons, but this doesn't speak for all lights as I'm sure many of the light-centric pilots are talking about when they say assaults just like to complain. I feel like they're talking about lights just like this one in particular right here thats being spammed into the ground for great effect with minimal effort.
I mean honestly, if I'm in my Crab and meet an identical Assault or Annihilator, etc, then I feel like they are a legitimate threat and we're about to wrestle. If I'm in the Lynx, I'm not even worried and even think: "Heh, I can just kill or strip something off of you while I'm on my way."
That...shouldn't even be the case, because I know its not a fair fight - which shouldn't be in my favor. I'm just saying that its corny.