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[RustyBolts]

Didn't take long for that to occur. Gonna enjoy it a little longer, then done with it.

[oldradagast]

Yeah, they do need to reward non-legging battles. Maybe reduce the awards for damage dealt to legs, have the announce snidely comment on a "challenger taking the low road" when the legging starts, etc.

No easy solution here, sadly. and while legging is cute in 1 vs. 1, it generally doesn't seem to be a particularly useful tactic anywhere else, aside from against lights and mechs that forgot their leg armor, of course.

[Requiemking]

oldradagast, on 18 April 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yeah, they do need to reward non-legging battles. Maybe reduce the awards for damage dealt to legs, have the announce snidely comment on a "challenger taking the low road" when the legging starts, etc.

No easy solution here, sadly. and while legging is cute in 1 vs. 1, it generally doesn't seem to be a particularly useful tactic anywhere else, aside from against lights and mechs that forgot their leg armor, of course.

Actually, it is if you're a crit mech and your fighting a Ballistic or a Missile boat, since they usually allocate most of their ammo in their legs.....

Edited by Requiemking, 18 April 2018 - 02:47 PM.

[K O Z A K]

leg the enemy in return if you think it's an OP tactic, what's the problem?

[oldradagast]

Requiemking, on 18 April 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Actually, it is if you're a crit mech and your fighting a Ballistic or a Missile boat, since they usually allocate most of their ammo in their legs.....

Valid point - I don't play too many mechs with critting weapons, but yes, that's another good use case for legging.

[Darian DelFord]

oldradagast, on 18 April 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yeah, they do need to reward non-legging battles. Maybe reduce the awards for damage dealt to legs, have the announce snidely comment on a "challenger taking the low road" when the legging starts, etc.

No easy solution here, sadly. and while legging is cute in 1 vs. 1, it generally doesn't seem to be a particularly useful tactic anywhere else, aside from against lights and mechs that forgot their leg armor, of course.

Yeah OK just as soon as a 20 ton mech does not have to face a 65 ton mech with LBX's

[Brain Cancer]

Why wouldn't I go for the most common ammo storage location in the game, other than the head?

I do find it hilarious how many people seem to skip leg day and go into S7 for rude surprises. I was watching people going to internal on a leg after a single exchange, and we're not even talking big alphas hitting a light, it's things like a few SRM 6's hitting a heavy.

[oldradagast]

Darian DelFord, on 18 April 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Yeah OK just as soon as a 20 ton mech does not have to face a 65 ton mech with LBX's

Valid point - I get it, and, yes, the light has no other options. I'm not saying "ban legging" - maybe some sort of reduced rewards for legging if the 2 mechs are within X tons of each other? Essentially, a way to say, "look, guys - neither one of you needs to leg the other one to win, so man up and give us a good fight!"

Atlas vs. Spider or something silly? Yeah, both guys might be legging each other. But 2 Atlases? No, legging at that point is just lame and obviously meta.

Brain Cancer, on 18 April 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

Why wouldn't I go for the most common ammo storage location in the game, other than the head?

I do find it hilarious how many people seem to skip leg day and go into S7 for rude surprises. I was watching people going to internal on a leg after a single exchange, and we're not even talking big alphas hitting a light, it's things like a few SRM 6's hitting a heavy.

That's actually rather surprising. Everyone predicted legging would be a huge thing. So, I'm left to wonder if these folks wander around in other game modes with minimal leg armor... maybe I should test legs more often? Huh... Seriously, I'd be surprised if I have a mech with less than max (or a point or 2 short of max) leg armor. I mean, no legs = dead... it's an obvious threat.

[Jay Leon Hart]

oldradagast, on 18 April 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Atlas vs. Spider or something silly? Yeah, both guys might be legging each other. But 2 Atlases? No, legging at that point is just lame and obviously meta.

Which is what was bound to happen and why it will not go away.

[RustyBolts]

I did leg those guys who had leg me previously, but that is no fun. I want a fight, not a rush to the other guy and see who can leg who the fastest just so I can say my epeen is bigger on the leaderboards. Not my style so I will jut leave that to those who enjoy it. I am sure the trolls will take this post and thread the wrong way, but it is not a complaint, just an observation of the play style. Best of luck to those who stick it out.

[Rick T Dangerous]

Haven't seen that much legging. When opponents do the awkward "looking at the floor" thing, they are most of the time so focused on their lame intentions that they don't torso twist. So you can core them out. And don't forget to tank with the ghost leg stump so they can accuse you of cheating.

[MischiefSC]

It's a skill issue. Learn what mechs you CT core, who you pull a specific ST off and who you leg.

Learn to twist, learn to leg shield.

These are actually very fundamental skills that people never bothered to learn in QP because you can just get 91% carried and scavenge off the hard work of your more skilled teammates and exploit the incompetence of bad opponents.

In 1 v 1 as you progress the number of incompetent opponents you fight declines and you have to actually carry yourself 100%.

Learn mechs and builds, what works and why.

Learn to twist, shield and jink damage.

Or get destroyed every time by those who do.

That is exactly what is best about Solaris - and why for some what is worst about it.

[sycocys]

oldradagast, on 18 April 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

That's actually rather surprising. Everyone predicted legging would be a huge thing. So, I'm left to wonder if these folks wander around in other game modes with minimal leg armor... maybe I should test legs more often? Huh... Seriously, I'd be surprised if I have a mech with less than max (or a point or 2 short of max) leg armor. I mean, no legs = dead... it's an obvious threat.

Well in most of the other maps there's a lot of leg cover, and well just cover - also most of the time you get focused by 4+ to the ct so leg armor in the normal game really isn't as critical.

[K O Z A K]

MischiefSC, on 18 April 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

It's a skill issue. Learn what mechs you CT core, who you pull a specific ST off and who you leg.

Learn to twist, learn to leg shield.

These are actually very fundamental skills that people never bothered to learn in QP because you can just get 91% carried and scavenge off the hard work of your more skilled teammates and exploit the incompetence of bad opponents.

In 1 v 1 as you progress the number of incompetent opponents you fight declines and you have to actually carry yourself 100%.

Learn mechs and builds, what works and why.

Learn to twist, shield and jink damage.

Or get destroyed every time by those who do.

That is exactly what is best about Solaris - and why for some what is worst about it.

^ This. Stop hating on players that choose to find the most efficient way for their mech to destroy your mech

[RustyBolts]

You are not telling me anything I don't already know or don't do mischief. It still does not change that it is a play style I don't like. I am not hating on it. As I said in my previous post, best of luck to those who do.

Edited by RustyBolts, 18 April 2018 - 04:31 PM.

[yrrot]

There are certain chassis that you should always start off trying to leg in a fresh engagement, even in QP. Things like the Assassin and Bushwacker, for example, have very tiny front torso profiles, but rather easy to hit legs. Even if they max armor on them, it's still usually a better target. There's no reason to penalize players to using one of the three ways to kill a mech, just because you don't like being killed that way.

Besides, they are big, stompy robots. Of course people are going to shoot the stompy bits.

[Wingbreaker]

oldradagast, on 18 April 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yeah, they do need to reward non-legging battles.

One day, this community will learn to inspect rewards. But it was not this day.

You do get larger ACC rewards per component destruction. Legging is inefficient.

[Monkey Lover]

Requiemking, on 18 April 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Actually, it is if you're a crit mech and your fighting a Ballistic or a Missile boat, since they usually allocate most of their ammo in their legs.....

Happening to me so often i moved my ammo to the st and put in a case.

[eminus]

2 of my wins are leg kills, what is the issue here?

[Darian DelFord]