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[Mortalcoil]

We did it guys. We got those clan laser nerfs removed by crying hard enough.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Mortalcoil, on 12 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

We did it guys. We got those clan laser nerfs removed by crying hard enough.

YAY

[Luminis]

Players opposed to the nerf right now:




Players who were happy "the other guys" were gonna get nerfed right now:

[Bombast]

You guys know what time it is now!

[Nema Nabojiv]

According to Russ the idea now is to PTS it and nerf it after said PTS. Meaning, they still convinced their approach is right, and they just need to communicate it better. That's hardly a victory.

[Monkey Lover]

Nema Nabojiv, on 12 May 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

According to Russ the idea now is to PTS it and nerf it after said PTS. Meaning, they still convinced their approach is right, and they just need to communicate it better. That's hardly a victory.

Maybe it is right we could be wrong. Or maybe the pts will fail like others have.

I just hope they give out rewards for testing or very few will download the test.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 12 May 2018 - 01:33 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mortalcoil, on 12 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

We did it guys. We got those clan laser nerfs removed by crying hard enough.

What, exactly, do you think you are doing right now?

[Mortalcoil]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 May 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

What, exactly, do you think you are doing right now?

Being honest?

[Y E O N N E]

Mortalcoil, on 12 May 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

Being honest?

Well that isn't mutually exclusive with crying, so 5/10.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Monkey Lover, on 12 May 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

Maybe it is right we could be wrong.

Anyone willing to spend a few hours can check it out for themselves. Just take whatever clan mech you have with six meds, build it with four meds instead of six and play some games with it. Dont need PTS for that.

[Monkey Lover]

Nema Nabojiv, on 12 May 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

Anyone willing to spend a few hours can check it out for themselves. Just take whatever clan mech you have with six meds, build it with four meds instead of six and play some games with it. Dont need PTS for that.

If they went live with this patch i dont think thats what i would have done. I would have kept all 6 and fired with ghost heat when i could cool down and fired 4+2 when i couldn't.

Maybe increased to 4med with 1 heavy

Even more when i was thinking about it i planned on changing my jag to something along the lines of 1lpl+3med group with another 1lpl+3med group.


What i wasn't happy about is for example my 2 heavy laser kitfox. Did it really need a nerf?

Edited by Monkey Lover, 12 May 2018 - 01:47 PM.

[SmokedJag]

It shouldn't have been announced like that in the first place.

[Luminis]

Monkey Lover, on 12 May 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

What i wasn't happy about is for example my 2 heavy laser kitfox. Did it really need a nerf?

Absolutely.

It's a Clan Mech. it's OP by default.

Honestly though, that's been one of the more frequently cited reasons the nerfs have been opposed for: Hitting the worse Mechs way harder than the good ones.

[Bulletsponge0]

Luminis, on 12 May 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

Absolutely.

It's a Clan Mech. it's OP by default.

Honestly though, that's been one of the more frequently cited reasons the nerfs have been opposed for: Hitting the worse Mechs way harder than the good ones.

You mean the 5 ERML adder wasn't actually OP and needing of a nerf?!???!??!!?!?!

[Vonbach]

Clans cried IS died.

[Angel of Annihilation]

One of my biggest complaints is that things have been working just fine in QP and even FP for a while now and aside from a few diehards complaining about balance, most complaints have disappeared when it comes to Clan vs IS. Then suddenly Solaris comes out and then there are huge changes and nerfs and quite a few to individual mechs are very clearly and directly due to situations that are happening in Solaris. I honestly don't give two piles of dog dung about Solaris and I have said it before, you can't balance the game around what happens in a 1 vs 1 fight and that is exactly what PGI seems to be doing. I have zero doubts that they want to put these changes in because in a 1 vs 1 duel, the high alpha strikes that you can achieve with Clan weapons are a problem. The issue is that they aren't really all that much of a problem in a 12 vs 12 so why do those of us who can care less about 1 vs 1 dueling getting punished because of a competitive game mode that many of us don't even play?

Solaris is about competition and finding the most effective, meta builds on meta mechs and then competing to see who is best. It should never be able balancing the game so every one of the hundreds of mechs and mech variants we have in the game are equally competitive against each other. I don't even know why anyone would try to do that.

So honestly I am glad they are re-evaluating things and at least seeing how things work out on the test server before such a massive change.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Vonbach, on 12 May 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

Clans cried IS died.

IS mechs don't have anything at all to worry about. They work just find and in alot of cases are actually better than Clan mechs. I know because I own 109 of them many of which I play quite regularly. The only complaint I have is that I think most IS mediums aren't quite up to par with Clan mediums and I wish they would up-tweak the agility on many of the IS mediums by about 10-15% to compensate.

[Trenchbird]

Eh. Still say they deserved it, but I guess I don't have to change my Nova now.

[Mortalcoil]

Viktor Drake, on 12 May 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

IS mechs don't have anything at all to worry about. They work just find and in alot of cases are actually better than Clan mechs. I know because I own 109 of them many of which I play quite regularly. The only complaint I have is that I think most IS mediums aren't quite up to par with Clan mediums and I wish they would up-tweak the agility on many of the IS mediums by about 10-15% to compensate.

totally true, besides the fact that 90ish% of mechs in MRBC and tournaments are clan, and IS has never won a single FP event, the game is very balanced. I agree.

[4rcs1ne]

I think the biggest problem is that PGI left Clan laser vomit unchecked for nearly 5 years, allowing Clammers to get accustomed to the cheesy playstyle.

TBH, these balance issues should have been nipped in the bud after the first Clan PTS 4 years ago, but, of course, PGI gonna PGI.

Edited by Matt2496, 12 May 2018 - 03:54 PM.