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#1 HammerMaster

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 05:30 PM

http://www.sarna.net...ttled-probably/

#2 FireStoat

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:00 PM

It's still too early to tell. It's entirely possible that we won't be told the details involving a settlement that is probably going to happen, and that Harebrained Schemes might not get the details either. Settlement details are rarely ever public info as a general rule. I'm keeping my eyes pealed to see if PGI is able to continue to make their own, hand-made images and models of Unseen mechs as well as variants for MWO and upcoming MW 5. The bigger issue will be if PGI can license their own Unseen creations to other companies, like Harebrained Schemes for use in Battletech games.

I read the article, but I'm still waiting on actual results that are being marketed to the public.

#3 MechaBattler

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:14 PM

I'd be surprised if PGI is going to stick their neck out for HBS. Unless they have really good leverage. I mean they can still sell HBS models of non-unseen mechs. So there's no reason to give up more for the right to sell derivative unseen designs to others.

#4 IIXxXII

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:45 PM

Afaik Harmony Gold are troll tier cybersquatters who haven't truly utilized their intellectual property in decades. The only area they have a presence are plastic and resin models produced by bandai, hasagawa, etc which are seeing diminished production.

Nothing HbS or PGI does infringes upon HG's model franchise and so I would like to think judges would rule against HG.

#5 DFM

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 07:35 PM

Like I said in the other thread, settlements just aren't talked about because of legal reasons.

If it were me though and the settlement came down in my favor I think the first mech pack released would be a certain 30 ton davion light mech that packs a medium laser and lrm-10 in the "base" model, designation QA.

#6 Bombast

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 08:11 PM

Harmony Gold likely got payed off.

Frustrating that they won again, but it is what it is.

#7 Shadowomega1

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:46 PM

All we do know is their in talks, till there is something that says the case is settled. Though I do hope PGI kicks HG square in the balls.

#8 HammerMaster

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:30 AM

Reading this I hear "concessions". Which may help short term but legitimizing HG will hurt BattleTech in the long run.

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 07:06 AM

And, as all systems that are tied by IP go, no one will actually win in the end.... Because as these efforts move without a clear winner or loser, all suffer from the cost of the fight that makes no real difference.

Kinda of sad because we're talking about small niche markets here and there isn't a huge population to begin with....

Edited by Asym, 17 June 2018 - 07:06 AM.


#10 Mystere

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 07:13 AM

Lawyers and their secret "settlement agreements". Posted Image

Where is Attila the Hun or someone similar with a modern-day equivalent of "scorched earth"? <shrugs>

#11 DFM

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:14 AM

View PostHammerMaster, on 17 June 2018 - 06:30 AM, said:

Reading this I hear "concessions". Which may help short term but legitimizing HG will hurt BattleTech in the long run.


only for 4 more years(Probably). March 2021 is the time we're all waiting for. HG and Tats haven't been chummy chummy since the last of Agrama's buddies at Tatsu left(right after he signed off on a deal that would make any Chicago politician proud) and with the lawsuits they have pursued, they offset the royalties they owe Tatsu so it looks from all outside sources that Tatsunoko is done with HG and is waiting for the last agreement to run it's course.

Now, that doesn't mean the next people they license(if any) are going to be any more friendly to BT than HG is, but if that's the case they can take all things macross that I am *WAITING* to buy and stuff em where the sun don't shine.

#12 Ken Harkin

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:29 AM

HG may very well have settled without getting squat just to avoid losing a definitive judgement and the precident it would set.

#13 FireStoat

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 11:35 AM

View PostKen Harkin, on 17 June 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

HG may very well have settled without getting squat just to avoid losing a definitive judgement and the precident it would set.

If I were a betting person, I'd bet cash that's exactly what happened. PGI's defense was one of "show the court documents it will recognize that Harmony Gold owns the rights that they claim to have." and HG's response repeatedly was "Um, we have them. really. Trust us!" along with "We need a fishing expedition to get a letter rogatory going to get documents we need, wholly unrelated to the proof you're asking for, but necessary for the case, from this Japanese company over here."

PGI had them by the balls. If the Summary Judgement wasn't granted, the truth of the matter still would have come out from the resulting days in court down the line. If PGI launches a Valkyrie, Rifleman IIC, Warhammer IIC, or Crusader pack, we'll have our answer. Or if HBS suddenly uses PGI's licensed Marauder and other Unseen models in their game.

#14 Nightbird

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 11:37 AM

Just don't buy any of the stuff HG has their hands in.

#15 arcana75

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:56 PM

Not really familiar with US legal speak, but if HG sues PGI/HBS, and then there's a "settlement", doesn't that mean PGI/HBS agrees to some terms of the lawsuit to end the court case, and HG agrees to these terms?

#16 DFM

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 07:25 PM

View Postarcana75, on 17 June 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

Not really familiar with US legal speak, but if HG sues PGI/HBS, and then there's a "settlement", doesn't that mean PGI/HBS agrees to some terms of the lawsuit to end the court case, and HG agrees to these terms?


It doesn't have to mean that.

Look at the settlement between HG and Hasbro over the Jetfire Con-Exclusive. HG demanded everything under the sun about that, from monetary to actual handing product over to them.

Hasbro had them by the short hairs on that one too, but a company like that isn't going to take ANY chance on something like that when they could just throw money/whatever at HG instead of setting a precedent over the case because they pulled the one judge who remembers getting verbally abused by his son timmy because timmy's Optimus Prime he got for christmas broke because he was too ignorant to actually try and figure out how it worked instead of just twisting and forcing stuff so he's gonna teach that company a lesson.(lol, not that that would happen but that's what it's designed to prevent.)

anyways, the case was settled, and Hasbro went about it merry way.

#17 AzureRathalos

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 10:56 PM

View PostDFM, on 17 June 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:


It doesn't have to mean that.

Look at the settlement between HG and Hasbro over the Jetfire Con-Exclusive. HG demanded everything under the sun about that, from monetary to actual handing product over to them.

Hasbro had them by the short hairs on that one too, but a company like that isn't going to take ANY chance on something like that when they could just throw money/whatever at HG instead of setting a precedent over the case because they pulled the one judge who remembers getting verbally abused by his son timmy because timmy's Optimus Prime he got for christmas broke because he was too ignorant to actually try and figure out how it worked instead of just twisting and forcing stuff so he's gonna teach that company a lesson.(lol, not that that would happen but that's what it's designed to prevent.)

anyways, the case was settled, and Hasbro went about it merry way.


Even though there is no requirement to publicly state the results of a settlement (hell, there are plenty of reasons on why nothing should be said), when it comes to cases that deal with produced products, the public can get a hint at the results.

For example, after the HG vs. Hasbro settlement, Jetfire toys (as well as toys for any other transforming jet) were still produced and released without HG trying anything again. If they did, I'm sure Hasbro would destroy them.

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As for the topic at hand, doesn't the last update say that only a potential settlement has been reached? If that settlement falls through, the current court case continues where it left off.

#18 Fox the Apprentice

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 07:14 AM

Any reason for the new thread instead of continuing at https://mwomercs.com...-v-weisman-pgi/? Is it because this thread includes speculation?

Edited by Fox the Apprentice, 18 June 2018 - 07:15 AM.


#19 HammerMaster

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 10:50 AM

Because it was new that day. But no reason not to merge.





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