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[The6thMessenger]

So, I just remembered, there's Word of Blake, with IS OmniMechs called the Celestial series. Basically try-hard sick dope demonic looking mechs, with new tech.

Would you be okay if it's a "new" faction? Basically new HUD, with white color than orange or light-blue?

[El Bandito]

Interesting idea, and I am receptive to it. I would personally wait until Russ and co changes FP to some thing more meaningful first, though.

[Captain Caveman DE]

eh.... pls no.

I just don't like em; doesn't feel 'battletech-y' to me. YMMV ofc

[Khobai]

no thanks

jihad era is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it

[VonBruinwald]

Nothing worng with the Jihad, it brought balance to the force. The same force Operation REVIVAL created a massive disturbance in.

[Mystere]

VonBruinwald, on 05 August 2018 - 07:00 AM, said:

Nothing worng with the Jihad, it brought balance to the force. The same force Operation REVIVAL created a massive disturbance in.

I think you're confusing IPs.

[KoalaBrownie]

VonBruinwald, on 05 August 2018 - 07:00 AM, said:

Nothing worng with the Jihad, it brought balance to the force. The same force Operation REVIVAL created a massive disturbance in.

I dunno man a genocidal war started pretty much "by accident" sounds pretty damn dumb to me.

Battletech lore is pretty weak-sauce anyway. Factions get into titanic wars, have entire armies destroyed, and then a year later rebuild their forces as if by magic (see Refusal War, FCCW). WoB meanwhile builds up a MASSIVE army and navy, and develops dozen+ high tech designs in only a few years. Doesn't make much sense dude.

Also I doubt WOB would be a faction when even the Comguards are not. Given that the Comguards are basically solely responsible for stopping the clan invasion (with a bit of credit given to Tyra Miraborg).

Edited by KoalaBrownie, 05 August 2018 - 09:37 AM.

[Toothless]

Khobai, on 05 August 2018 - 05:26 AM, said:

jihad era is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it

Im quoting this so people can read it again, it cant be said enough.

I grew up as a kid reading the novels and everything, Battletech was my nerdverse, and Jihad era was/is so bad I literally dont
count anything past roughly 3070, I dont even bother reading it or lumping it in with the rest of Battletech. Its really awful. Even calling it a 'jihad' is ******* dumb.

EDIT: To further elaborate, jihad era and beyond is to Battletech what the Prequels were to Star Wars.

Word of Blake is the Jar Jar Binks of Battletech.

Edited by Toothless, 05 August 2018 - 09:44 AM.

[KoalaBrownie]

Toothless, on 05 August 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

I grew up as a kid reading the novels and everything, Battletech was my nerdverse, and Jihad era was/is so bad I literally dont
count anything past roughly 3070, I dont even bother reading it or lumping it in with the rest of Battletech. Its really awful. Even calling it a 'jihad' is ******* dumb.

There are some great Age of War mechs in TRO 3075 though. That's the one good thing about the jihad era

[Battlemaster56]

I say yes for genocidal technowizards, plus not familiar with the hate of the Jihad, but it sounds something to check out when bored.

Also the celestial series do look nice, I want to see Alex's art of them.

[FLG 01]

Battlemaster56, on 05 August 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I say yes for genocidal technowizards, plus not familiar with the hate of the Jihad, but it sounds something to check out when bored.

There is a lot to read since people have different opinions on why exactly the Jihad (or its story, or its story telling) was bad. It was a heated debate, so much so that people rarely discuss it these days.
I for one was a WoB-fan before the Jihad, but then WoB became cartoonishly evil.

Battlemaster56, on 05 August 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Also the celestial series do look nice, I want to see Alex's art of them.

The problem with the Celestials is that they would not work well in MWO. What made them strong in TT games is either meaningless in MWO or not even represented, especially C3i and melee, or the fact that some are true zombies.

MWO would have to become a totally different game to make them as good as they were in TT games.

I think we should go for the 'regular' IS Omnis first, like the Men Shen.

[Battlemaster56]

FLG 01, on 05 August 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

There is a lot to read since people have different opinions on why exactly the Jihad (or its story, or its story telling) was bad. It was a heated debate, so much so that people rarely discuss it these days.
I for one was a WoB-fan before the Jihad, but then WoB became cartoonishly evil.


The problem with the Celestials is that they would not work well in MWO. What made them strong in TT games is either meaningless in MWO or not even represented, especially C3i and melee, or the fact that some are true zombies.

MWO would have to become a totally different game to make them as good as they were in TT games.

I think we should go for the 'regular' IS Omnis first, like the Men Shen.

Ok I may need to put some time to look up these books, I just thought it was like Star Wars Yuuzhan vong war where they just go start a all out war and pretty much annihilating everyone til they realize they were spread to thin and the Empire came in and help out beating them back.

And on the second point I do agree that the first and second gen omni's should be added, and I think to go around the C3i and melee is one the C3i is basically a improve sensors we got already locked on all sense have it blade act like the Kodiak's claw allowing it to retract anytime we want.

[Captain Caveman DE]

Toothless, on 05 August 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

...
Word of Blake is the Jar Jar Binks of Battletech.

that

[Karl Streiger]

so many names.... You are victims of your own propaganda.
I pray for your redemption and mark you for deletion in the meantime.

to the topic - WoB and Celestials, well its to late and with exception of the Deva those Mech a would not work that great in MWO as the heretic did pointed out.


When humanity falls into a dark age, terror reigns and civilisation bends to barbarism and unveiled tyranny - the pariahs sons and daughters will return

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Battlemaster56, on 05 August 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

Ok I may need to put some time to look up these books, I just thought it was like Star Wars Yuuzhan vong war where they just go start a all out war and pretty much annihilating everyone til they realize they were spread to thin and the Empire came in and help out beating them back.

And on the second point I do agree that the first and second gen omni's should be added, and I think to go around the C3i and melee is one the C3i is basically a improve sensors we got already locked on all sense have it blade act like the Kodiak's claw allowing it to retract anytime we want.

Actually, you're correct - the Yuzzhan vong is the closest Star Wars analogy. Powerful enemy appears out of nowhere, wiping everybody out until all the other former enemies unite to defeat them.

The Yuzzhan Vong were so terrible that the WOB can't help but be better antagonists. However the Clan invasion already did a much better job of this same idea in the Battletech universe.

The FASA writers had been dropping ominous hints about WOB for like a decade before they hit so everyone knew it would lead to something.

What people didn't expect was the scale of the attack.

The writers ended up making the WOB jihad so massive to justify why industrial production and giant mech armies were lost again in the Inner Sphere, in order to set up the conditions for a new "Dark Age" for Wizkid's new clicky Mechwarrior miniatures games.

Another good Star Wars analogy would be the time jump between Return of the Jedi and the new Disney trilogy. Neither Star Wars or Battletech initially explained what happened in the intervening years - the just threw the viewer/reader forward and forced them to accept the new order of things.

I hate timeline jumps now because of these two universes botching them so badly.

Also the First Order being able to manufacture hundreds of Super Super Super Star Destroyers and a planetary Death Star despite supposedly being just the fractured remnants of the Empire is equivalent to the WOB being able to pull a hundred divisions of mechs and warships magically out of their rear end.

As far as I'm concerned, my Battletech history departs from the official one at the end of the Fedcom Civil War. In my history, Katherine Steiner-Davion commits suicide in her palace at the end. That handing her over to Clan Wolf after all that happened was the lamest ending I ever read.

So yeah, in my BTech timeline the jihad never happens, WOB is still a funny mysterious little footnote operating behind the scenes, the I.S. Star League is still expanding and the threat of a united Clan invasion is still a thing - setting up TWO rival Star Leagues at war with each other - a Clan one and an I.S. one.

Edited by 5th Fedcom Rat, 05 August 2018 - 01:20 PM.

[FupDup]

I don't care about how the jihad storyline compares to other eras in terms of writing quality because IMO most of the BT storyline is bleh. As such, all there is left for me to care about is the toys. Later eras have more toys, therefore they are more fun. It's not like the storyline even matters in MWO anyways.

Edited by FupDup, 05 August 2018 - 01:02 PM.

[KoalaBrownie]

5th Fedcom Rat, on 05 August 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned, my Battletech history departs from the official one at the end of the Fedcom Civil War. In my history, Victor has Katherine Steiner-Davion hung in public. That handing her over to Clan Wolf after all that happened was the lamest **** I ever read.

Funny fact. Every story centred around VSD was the lamest **** I ever read too!

[Toothless]

5th Fedcom Rat, on 05 August 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned, my Battletech history departs from the official one at the end of the Fedcom Civil War. In my history, Victor has Katherine Steiner-Davion hung in public. That handing her over to Clan Wolf after all that happened was the lamest **** I ever read.

Hey man I know you've been wanting to bang my sister so here btw she killed your mother in law, had my wife murdered and incited an intergalactic civil war but LOLZ here you go!

[Alexandros]

Can we do a roll back on Star league Era?

[Mystere]

Karl Streiger, on 05 August 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

When humanity falls into a dark age, terror reigns and civilisation bends to barbarism and unveiled tyranny - the pariahs sons and daughters will return

You just might get your wish ... soon.