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[banana peel]

Every competition with prizes sets objectively better rewards for higher ranked participants. It is in the very nature of competition.

Somehow Solaris escaped this concept. As was pointed out by many players in the comments to the Solaris rewards post, 250k GXP is a lot more valuable than 100 MC, 250 MC or even 500 MC for a good chunk of playerbase (including me). This amount of GXP allows you to skill up 3.5 mechs, saving you countless of hours of grind.

The only way to reliably get GXP is to convert it from XP. And to convert 250k XP to GXP you need... 10.000 MC. Twice as much as the winner of the Solaris division gets.

Of course, for someone GXP mean nothing, no argument against that. My point is, higher ranked players must receive SUPERIOR prizes, not different ones. For me and many others, prizes given to players between 101 and 500 places are superior, and that is not okay.

All my ranks in Solaris solo divisions are way higher than 100th place. My understanding of competition goes against losing matches on purpose to get the desired prizes. That's why in here, i'm requesting to downgrade all my possible upcoming rewards to top500 level listed in the original Solaris rewards post.

When i saw the rewards post, at first i thought it was a typo. Then i thought, my obvious request would be easy to fulfill by the support or devs themselves, but alas... I've expired all other possibilities, so the public exposure of the issue is my last resort, sorry for any disturbance caused.

When i started playing Solaris, i didnt care much for possible rewards. But i wasnt ready to be rewarded LESS than people placed lower than me. It's against the nature of the competition, it's highly discouraging for playing the gamemode and it's simply disrespectful towards your customers.

[Horseman]

Indeed. Simply retaining the 250K GXP reward from top 500 upwards would be a good move.

[Monkey Lover]

Normally they come with all rewards below. Im not sure why they didn't do it this time.

Over all not a big issue for me . I still got tons of gsp haha



By the way its really easy to go from top 100 to 500 hehe

Edited by Monkey Lover, 14 July 2018 - 01:18 PM.

[Ghogiel]

banana peel, on 14 July 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

Every competition with prizes sets objectively better rewards for higher ranked participants. It is in the very nature of competition.

Somehow Solaris escaped this concept. As was pointed out by many players in the comments to the Solaris rewards post, 250k GXP is a lot more valuable than 100 MC, 250 MC or even 500 MC for a good chunk of playerbase (including me). This amount of GXP allows you to skill up 3.5 mechs, saving you countless of hours of grind.

The only way to reliably get GXP is to convert it from XP. And to convert 250k XP to GXP you need... 10.000 MC. Twice as much as the winner of the Solaris division gets.

Of course, for someone GXP mean nothing, no argument against that. My point is, higher ranked players must receive SUPERIOR prizes, not different ones. For me and many others, prizes given to players between 101 and 500 places are superior, and that is not okay.

All my ranks in Solaris solo divisions are way higher than 100th place. My understanding of competition goes against losing matches on purpose to get the desired prizes. That's why in here, i'm requesting to downgrade all my possible upcoming rewards to top500 level listed in the original Solaris rewards post.

When i saw the rewards post, at first i thought it was a typo. Then i thought, my obvious request would be easy to fulfill by the support or devs themselves, but alas... I've expired all other possibilities, so the public exposure of the issue is my last resort, sorry for any disturbance caused.

When i started playing Solaris, i didnt care much for possible rewards. But i wasnt ready to be rewarded LESS than people placed lower than me. It's against the nature of the competition, it's highly discouraging for playing the gamemode and it's simply disrespectful towards your customers.

Yeah, the rewards after the 250k gpx go down in quality until you are like 1st place. I personally dont need xps, as I still have 20k of wasted gsp from the module debacle, but still recgonise that its better for most

[justcallme A S H]

I tried to make them understand how valuable GXP was.

Alas I don't think they get it at all with the respot that came back.

[Khalcruth]

banana peel, on 14 July 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

This amount of GXP allows you to skill up 3.5 mechs, saving you countless of hours of grind.

Heaven forbid anyone should actually enjoy playing a new mech. What a completely insane concept, that it could be fun, instead of a "grind".

[Eisenhorne]

Khalcruth, on 14 July 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

Heaven forbid anyone should actually enjoy playing a new mech. What a completely insane concept, that it could be fun, instead of a "grind".

I enjoy playing faction play with fully skilled mechs. Quick play in general is a horrible cesspool of badness that I would like to stay out of. Anything that lets me skip that is a boon. I only play mechs there that can carry players, otherwise I just get mad.

[dario03]

I agree that the rewards are a bit odd. But I think its a bit late to change them now. Letting you pick a lower one would be alright though I guess.

Edited by dario03, 14 July 2018 - 04:17 PM.

[Nightbird]

I'm perfectly happy with GXP rewards that are worth a lot of MC. MC is more flexible, you can get hero mechs and premium time etc. GXP is only usable for skilling mechs, and you still have to spend millions of c-bills per mech. This prize also encourages new players to play the mode, which is otherwise dead. A few top prizes will just make the mode more barren, and 'winning' is more about grinding than anything else anyways.

Maybe PGI should just lower their XP-GXP conversion cost permanently... *shrug*...

[Xiphias]

justcallme A S H, on 14 July 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

I tried to make them understand how valuable GXP was.

Alas I don't think they get it at all with the respot that came back.

The value of GXP really depends on the individual situation. Personally I have 1.1 million GXP banked and nothing to spend it on. GXP rewards are completely useless to me. MC on the other hand can at least be spent on things that I can use.

I understand for new players (and probably most players) GXP is quite valuable, but if you've played long enough/enough matches GXP becomes worthless to you.

[LordNothing]

Monkey Lover, on 14 July 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Normally they come with all rewards below. Im not sure why they didn't do it this time.

Over all not a big issue for me . I still got tons of gsp haha



By the way its really easy to go from top 100 to 500 hehe

i used to be like that, then i ran out of gsp. and a million gxp doesnt go very far.

the grind is so hellish now that i miss the 3 mech rule.

Edited by LordNothing, 14 July 2018 - 07:05 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

LordNothing, on 14 July 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

i used to be like that, then i ran out of gsp. and a million gxp doesnt go very far.

the grind is so hellish now that i miss the 3 mech rule.

Yeah I've got about 2mil GXP coming as I've only got 900 GSP left, gone through over 14,000 GSP.

Stuffed if I am ever grinding 70-90 matches to level a mech when it used to be about 15-20, nothing more painful.

[El Bandito]

justcallme A S H, on 14 July 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

I tried to make them understand how valuable GXP was.

Alas I don't think they get it at all with the respot that came back.

Everyone keep spamming Twitter, there is still time! I did.

LordNothing, on 14 July 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

i used to be like that, then i ran out of gsp. and a million gxp doesnt go very far.

the grind is so hellish now that i miss the 3 mech rule.

I don't miss the old system. Cause I like to enjoy the matches with the variants I want to play, unskilled or not.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 July 2018 - 07:49 PM.

[KodiakGW]

Guess using the meta mech in each division to get to the top of the leaderboards didn’t turn out for the best for some. Glad I played mechs I enjoy playing. 9A1 instead of Anni in Div 1, Nova Cat instead of PIR, Atlas, KGC, Anni, etc. in Div 2 (actually had fun wasting PIRs in it). I think the closest to meta was my Div 7 Grey Death. But, I took that because it was mothballed for so long, and wanted to drive it again.

[Horseman]

Khalcruth, on 14 July 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

Heaven forbid anyone should actually enjoy playing a new mech. What a completely insane concept, that it could be fun, instead of a "grind".

In the current system your early matches can be pretty unpleasant before you get some necessities (armor bonus, ECM nodes for ECM mechs etc)

[Anastasius Foht]

Saw some player story on reddit, where guy trying to get godly amount of GXP instead of 200 mc while artifically lowered his tier. He gets banned for 1 month in game and 3 months in Solaris

[justcallme A S H]

Anastasius Foht, on 15 July 2018 - 08:23 AM, said:

Saw some player story on reddit, where guy trying to get godly amount of GXP instead of 200 mc while artifically lowered his tier. He gets banned for 1 month in game and 3 months in Solaris

That was a joke post - No one has been banned, yet, for that.

The GXP is insanely more powerful than 200MC. So logically players inside the top 100 but outside the top say, 3 spots, are beyond annoyed.

PGI responded though and the reply didn't make any sense to the majority of players. I don't think they understand the value of GXP within their own game like the majority of players.

Oh well - Each season of Solaris I'll just play 25-30 matches maximum to get myself into the Top 500 and just stop - Easy GXP that way. Given the rewards don't encourage you to play any more than that if you want maxium return for minimal effort.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 15 July 2018 - 03:19 PM.

[Anastasius Foht]

justcallme A S H, on 15 July 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

That was a joke post - No one has been banned, yet, for that.

The GXP is insanely more powerful than 200MC. So logically players inside the top 100 but outside the top say, 3 spots, are beyond annoyed.

PGI responded though and the reply didn't make any sense to the majority of players. I don't think they understand the value of GXP within their own game the the majority of players.

Oh well - Each season of Solaris I'll just play 25-30 matches maximum to get myself into the Top 500 and just stop - Easy GXP that way. Given the rewards don't encourage you to play any more than that if you want maxium return for minimal effort.

GXP is clear way to save your stats by NOT playing with non skilled mech (gib enemy andvantage), so its OP for guys who care about Jarl's List.

[justcallme A S H]

GXP is a way to avoid a 90 game grind to level a mech. An insane grind that was brought in with Skil Maze 14 months ago.

If you can play, you can play. Good build or silly one. Stock mech or skilled mech.


I took a bone stock Black Knight out into QP, rattled off I think 4-5 x 500-600dmg games in a row, as practice for for MWO WC '18. That is within my normal stats, it just meant I played a little differently as the range was less and cooling a bit worse (given in a skilled mech I'd run a hotter loadout).

[dario03]

justcallme A S H, on 15 July 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

Oh well - Each season of Solaris I'll just play 25-30 matches maximum to get myself into the Top 500 and just stop - Easy GXP that way. Given the rewards don't encourage you to play any more than that if you want maxium return for minimal effort.

That's what I did. Didn't play Solaris because 1v1 didn't interest me much and 2v2 not much more and not enough to set up a mech and ask someone. Then they announced the rewards so I ran through 1v1 real quick, did 25 matches sometimes 26 to get an extra crate and then stopped. Would have tried 2v2 but from what I hear its a ghost town which is a little disappointing since having the save/load and import/export feature in mechlab now makes it easy to switch builds around.

Edited by dario03, 15 July 2018 - 04:45 PM.