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[Lucky Moniker]

really? the only masc capable is the hero? the only reason to pick one omni over another is their set equipment, like masc. so the hero is vastly superior to any other variant. no wonder no one plays this anymore.

[FupDup]

It's a Battlemech, not an Omni.

It pays for that MASC with an utterly awful set of hardpoints, and frankly MASC is just a sidegrade at best.

Edited by FupDup, 01 August 2018 - 07:29 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

And this thread is going to be locked in 3...2...1

[Brenden]

Hey, the Clans had more than just Omni'Mechs. The Vapor Eagle is a Second-Line Battlemech which is pretty good for Dueling. Pretty good for brawling, if done right. At least with 'Mechs of a similar weight-class.

[MechaBattler]

It's not like it's the only Clan medium with MASC. So it's not really pay to win. And as has been said. MASC isn't OP. Even with all the buffs they've given it. It's okay on the right mechs. But otherwise eh.

[Battlemaster56]

*Laughs in Clan* Seriously the Hero not even good hardpoint wise and pays to much for it for some extra agility like the Skoll, every other variant is vastly superior to the hero.

[Quxudica]

FupDup, on 01 August 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

It's a Battlemech, not an Omni.

It pays for that MASC with an utterly awful set of hardpoints, and frankly MASC is just a sidegrade at best.

Tbh the "hero" mech concept is awful to its core regardless of the quality of the actual mechs. If they wanted to go this route they should have a cbill variant that shares every heroes hardpoint set up, just lacking the cbill bonus and special skin. Hero and Champion mechs as a pay-walled feature have been gross from the start, back when they deleted an entire cbill mech from the game (and peoples inventories) just before releasing the first one (that coincidentally had almost identical hardpoints). This isn't something anyone should defend. But people will, because people will defend anything even if it's objectively terrible.

Edited by Quxudica, 01 August 2018 - 08:38 PM.

[FupDup]

Quxudica, on 01 August 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Tbh the "hero" mech concept is awful to its core regardless of the quality of the actual mechs. If they wanted to go this route they should have a cbill variant that shares every heroes hardpoint set up, just lacking the cbill bonus and special skin. Hero and Champion mechs as a pay-walled feature have been gross from the start, back when they deleted an entire cbill mech from the game (and peoples inventories) just before releasing the first one (that coincidentally had almost identical hardpoints). This isn't something anyone should defend. But people will, because people will defend anything even if it's objectively terrible.

Yes, I agree with that stance (well, I don't mind Champs because they are identical in combat power to a C-Bill variant). I'm just pointing out that this particular hero is not going to be causing any problems. That doesn't mean I like the setup as a whole.

Edited by FupDup, 01 August 2018 - 08:47 PM.

[Grus]

#inbeforelock

Besides the side grade masc all clan mechs are supposed to be nerfed by the Einsteins on the ballance team. So doubt this will be a better mech than the stormcrow.

[Alkabides]

^ Russ said as early as today no ptr stuff currently is making it in the game. Perhaps not end of times, come back from the ledge my friend. OP, this mech certainly not p2w. I thought initially it was as omni as well but it’s not. The hero isn’t that fearsome, even if omni it would be more of a mix n match mech for fun anyways. I’d still pilot a huntsman before this.

[S O L A I S]

Masc used to be good. Been a long time though since it was and it certainly makes nothing OP or you'd actually see people using it.

[Mister Glitchdragon]

S O L A I S, on 01 August 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

Masc used to be good. Been a long time though since it was and it certainly makes nothing OP or you'd actually see people using it.

Seriously. When was the last time anyone on the forums called for MASC nerfs? When was the last time anyone got killed and thought, "I'd have won if it weren't for OP game-changin' MASC?"

[Ensaine]

Lord knows I have my issues with this game, and the troika running it, but, I must say, this game is NOT pay to win... at worst, it's pay to get stuff faster.

At the end of the race, we all have access to the same stuff.

[Eisenhorne]

Ensaine, on 02 August 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

Lord knows I have my issues with this game, and the troika running it, but, I must say, this game is NOT pay to win... at worst, it's pay to get stuff faster.

At the end of the race, we all have access to the same stuff.

Eh, Sleipnir, Deathstrike, Grinner, IVFour, Top Dog, Ultraviolet, and Virago are all mechs that offer basically straight upgrades to other mechs, and are close to pay to win. Not bad enough to REALLY be P2W, but they're close.

[Kanil]

Eisenhorne, on 02 August 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

Eh, Sleipnir, Deathstrike, Grinner, IVFour, Top Dog, Ultraviolet, and Virago are all mechs that offer basically straight upgrades to other mechs, and are close to pay to win. Not bad enough to REALLY be P2W, but they're close.

Surely "basically straight upgrades" locked behind a paywall is the exact definition of pay to win, no?

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

Actually it’s, “Pew to win”...

Lots and lots of, “Pew”...

[Alkabides]

Kanil, on 02 August 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Surely "basically straight upgrades" locked behind a paywall is the exact definition of pay to win, no?

I’d agree with this if PGI didn’t give out as much mc as it does. You have plenty of opportunities to get whatever hero you want and on sale from mc that was given out just by playing the game if you are patient.

[FireStoat]

Huntsman is a superb mech, and is one of my top 5 favorites in the game. The Vapor Eagle is looking to open doors in doing a lot of things that the Huntsman can't, and I think people buying it will enjoy it. The hero however does look extremely "meh". If I was still giving PGI money I think this would be a case of buying the standard pack, enjoying it, and then if I really really liked the mech, slapping down the 20 further bucks for the (S) variant and goodies. Honestly, the base first variant has a LOT going for it.

[Brizna]

It looks like an excellent mech, only thing that is going to keep it down is lack of missile hard point and scarcity of energy points. Too many ballistics, but too little weight to really take advantage of their abundance.

To add to the hero debate, there is just a handful of mechs whose best variant is the hero, though I concede some of those are some of the best mechs in the game nowadays, but there's plenty C-Bill mechs in top tier.

Edited by Brizna, 02 August 2018 - 10:29 AM.

[Ssamout]

Eisenhorne, on 02 August 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

Eh, Sleipnir, Deathstrike, Grinner, IVFour, Top Dog, Ultraviolet, and Virago are all mechs that offer basically straight upgrades to other mechs, and are close to pay to win. Not bad enough to REALLY be P2W, but they're close.

I've bought at least sleipnir and IVfour during sales with mc from playing the game. Events and faction play grinding, so imho that lessens the p2w aspect even further..