20 replies to this topic

[septimus]

1) The Faction events are made to encourage people to play faction.
2) People in a unit cannot break loyalty without having their unit charged up to 5 million to reinvite them.
3) This forces people in units to not participate in special faction events due to their leaders having to pay up to 5milion/person to reinvite. (it costs more $ each time for each person you invite.)
4) Why would MWO Encourage while simultaneously Discourage special faction events?
5) Possible solution: Drop the up to 5 million charge unit leaders to reinvite for faction special events.
6) Profit

Edited by septimus, 18 August 2018 - 09:20 AM.

[Prototelis]

Have to pay 5 million?

Just change alliances for the weekend...

[Grus]

Prototelis, on 18 August 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

Have to pay 5 million?

Just change alliances for the weekend...

Not happening for loyalist units.

[Prototelis]

That's a dumb reason not to participate in a free event.

[Spheroid]

Five million is nothing. A win in faction generates on average a million a drop. Also shame on your leader for being AWOL.

[Grus]

Prototelis, on 18 August 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

That's a dumb reason not to participate in a free event.

Well when its GB turn ill drop again. Otherwise, ive got other games to play.

[septimus]

Grus, on 18 August 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

Not happening for loyalist units.

Prototelis, on 18 August 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

Have to pay 5 million?

Just change alliances for the weekend...

The money depends on how many you have in your group. It cost more each person you invite. His unit is large and currently costs 5 million to reinvite people.

Either way, There are people who are not participating because their leaders and telling them they have to stay with their faction... Those same people are now complaining that the Q is too long.... They are getting mad at faction special events... THIS IS WRONG MWO!!!!

Edited by septimus, 18 August 2018 - 09:18 AM.

[Spheroid]

Contract power can be delegated to numerous officers in a unit. The fact that your unit fails to do so is bad organizational design. Deal with your human behavior issues, don't complain to PGI.

[septimus]

Spheroid, on 18 August 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Contract power can be delegated to numerous officers in a unit. The fact that your unit fails to do so is bad organizational design. Deal with your human behavior issues, don't complain to PGI.

I'm not in a unit... I bounce around to many discords... And I notice that this is a common occurrence. It is MANY units that are having this problem. I am going to discord after discord and looking for people to play the faction. And the few things I hear the most is.... 1) We cant play faction because we are in a different faction and it would cause a problem for our unit. 2) people are playing faction for my quick play is Q is soo long. Yet we cant play the special faction events. 3) It reall sucks we have to miss out and because of it, now have much longer Q times in quick play.

Do you not see how faction special events are encourages and discouraged at the same time? you dont address my main point.
Please don't assume that my experience are isolated.
Also your tone is very terrible. Clean your room

Prototelis, on 18 August 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

That's a dumb reason not to participate in a free event.

I fully agree, yet more and more units are choosing loyalty over faction special events.

Edited by septimus, 18 August 2018 - 11:22 AM.

[El Bandito]

septimus, on 18 August 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

I'm not in a unit... I bounce around to many discords... And I notice that this is a common occurrence. It is MANY units that are having this problem. I am going to discord after discord and looking for people to play the faction. And the few things I hear the most is.... 1) We cant play faction because we are in a different faction and it would cause a problem for our unit. 2) people are playing faction for my quick play is Q is soo long. Yet we cant play the special faction events. 3) It reall sucks we have to miss out and because of it, now have much longer Q times in quick play.

Please don't assume that my experience are isolated.

Mercstar has no issue changing our faction allegiance from one loyalist to another, immediately. All the unit members have to do is to agree to follow the unit to a new faction and that's it. And if a 114 member unit can do it without a fuss, then smaller units should have even less issue.

septimus, on 18 August 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

1) The Faction events are made to encourage people to play faction.
2) People in a unit cannot break loyalty without having their unit charged up to 5 million to reinvite them.
3) This forces people in units to not participate in special faction events due to their leaders having to pay up to 5milion/person to reinvite. (it costs more $ each time for each person you invite.)
4) Why would MWO Encourage while simultaneously Discourage special faction events?
5) Possible solution: Drop the up to 5 million charge unit leaders to reinvite for faction special events.
6) Profit

Huh? Unit members can simply switch factions for free if they agree to follow their unit. What 5 million?

Edited by El Bandito, 18 August 2018 - 11:24 AM.

[septimus]

El Bandito, The problem lies where the leader doesn't want to change their whole faction. ( due to not caring or faction loyalty) Yet individual members want to change to participate. I see your point, yet the leaders have to agree to change. This leads to "some people" choosing to be loyal to their unit and not change, or leave and risk reprisal. About the 5 million. I was speaking with a person from another unit. They evidently have so many people that the price is currently at $5million to recruit someone new. I understand that small units don't ever see costs this high. But I am going off of what many people have been telling me for the past little while. as I said, i am not in any unit myself.

Edited by septimus, 18 August 2018 - 12:14 PM.

[MechaBattler]

It's funny that they penalize people for being disloyal to their loyalist unit. When they have yet to really do anything to encourage loyalist units. Sure Paul posted up a thing that listed some changes to improve on loyalist unit stuff. But they also promised loyalty points and unit coffers would be worth something. That dropships would be a thing. But NOPE.

I mean really. It's a faux faction event anyway. And the only distinguishing feature of the event is you get extra goodies and you have to be part of one of the two factions. Which people can do all willy nilly for the most part. It's not like there's a map specific to those factions that you get to drop on. Or a new mode that distinguishes it as a special event.

[JRcam4643]

I wish they would just change faction play so they wouldn't have to bribe folks to play it. Even if they left the battles the same they could at least change the way planets are conquered so a unit has a better chance landing their tag on it. Give people assignable assets and points to chase or something.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

so its the best to ignored FW so long the Event is and im self in a Other Fraction ...thats very cool PGI ...so give you Penalitys the Loyality thats not have a further sense in this Game for a event thats its special while ...oh a War is in the FW ! thats was this event make
its not the standard was each fraction search in the FW ...dynamic War ...IS against IS ..Clan against Clan , Clan vs IS and thats not only for a event...not only 48 vs 48 QP with respawn, long Waittimes, Ghostdrops and nothing other sense...War only when PGI say its war event

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 18 August 2018 - 01:22 PM.

[septimus]

MechaBattler, on 18 August 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's funny that they penalize people for being disloyal to their loyalist unit. When they have yet to really do anything to encourage loyalist units. Sure Paul posted up a thing that listed some changes to improve on loyalist unit stuff. But they also promised loyalty points and unit coffers would be worth something. That dropships would be a thing. But NOPE.

I mean really. It's a faux faction event anyway. And the only distinguishing feature of the event is you get extra goodies and you have to be part of one of the two factions. Which people can do all willy nilly for the most part. It's not like there's a map specific to those factions that you get to drop on. Or a new mode that distinguishes it as a special event.

Well said. especially your first sentence.
If we want to encourage faction play/ special events. Remove all barriers to entry to the special faction events. Don't encourage and discourage at the same time.

Since this discussion, I talked to yet another unit person who I:
1) informed him about cool new challenges this week
2) him getting excited
3) me telling him he needs to join laio/davion
4) him saying awesome!
5) him realizing he has to quit his unit to change right now
6) him deciding to not participate and wait for what others are doing
7) realizing most in the unit dont want to **** their unit and quit so they decide they dont "care" about the cool rewards...
8) they play "quick play" and complain about the wait time because everyone is playing faction.
9) no profit

Edited by septimus, 18 August 2018 - 05:25 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Really fights between the Houses was once 2013 a Mainelemnt in the ideas for FW ...and now its a Special Event and were not will play it its out of FW for the Time or trait his Loyality..a further Design Fail from PGI ..Fight between the houses as Standard bring a further Problem more down ..the Balancing IS vs Clan

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 19 August 2018 - 12:13 AM.

[Phaex42]

It's 2018 and the reality is this is a game in its maintenance cycle with a low number of players. RP is a choice, and the fact is this game is in a state where it can't accommodate strict RP so those who choose to play that way have to make sacrifices. It's not that hard to head-canon a way to swap factions for events, being stubborn only hurts you. If your unit can't swap because the leaders can't/won't, then that's your unit's fault and no one else's.

Want what you want, wish what you wish, but being stubborn and not participating hurts you and the game as well through even fewer players.

Edited by Phaex42, 19 August 2018 - 08:48 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

no hurts me not have 125 mechs , 5 free mechbays ,all colors and Decals what will and buy more mechs only for Cbills..and ply in this time Qp or other Games like BF3 or Xcom 2 or BF/FH2 its the problem for PGI not enough Players to have and leave more and more...time thats a other company become the mW license..It's just a pity that after months you decide to play MWO again in the FW and then it's event ... and QP is just horrible

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 19 August 2018 - 09:05 AM.

[Novakaine]

Join Marik - Marik is the best Marik.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Thanks no ...im binding and loyal to my unit loyalty should be rewarded in this game ... ???? so this block is just an alibi function without meaning.a Further "we have no concept for the own Game"