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[Phyrce]

brroleg, on 08 September 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

I tried to reach 500 score during several quick play games(about 10), but i constantly was getting 450-480 points. I started to wonder what magic is this, why its constantly so close to 500 points but never reached it.
So i watched some Baradul's videos. And noticed, games where he reaches more than 500 score are those where he hitting targets with artillery consumables.
So here it is, pay to win aspect of this game. Before i honestly thought there is no pay2win in this game.

It isn't because he used a consumable, its because he got all of the assists, damage, component destruction, protector bonus, lance in formation, savior kill and other added bonuses that multiply your match score. You can get all of these bonuses without a consumable. I have hit over 800 match score without a single consumable (1600 damage in an annihilator).

[Phoenix 72]

Well, I did not get the 500MS thingie done. I also do not tend to use consumables, outside of Cool Shot. Last weekend I got multiple 500+ games, this time, over the course of ca. 40 games, nada.

It is not all skill, because you need to be lucky with the groups you are placed in, in QP. If there is a significant difference in the skill between teams, things end up being too onesided to get 500 MS. And if everybody is fairly good, then there will be multiple people with relatively high scores, but nobody will stand out too much. I ended up with 460ish several times, but I guess I will have to do without those 5 mill. Could have really used them, too.

[MischiefSC]

FupDup, on 08 September 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

You definitely can, but you need something like laser vomit or dakka vomit that spews out continuous spread damage in order to make it way easier. I hit the mark like 3 or 4 times I think.

Missiles are probably good for it but I only used them a little bit (didn't work well so I kept switching stuff around until settling for a laser vomit HBR to get the 500 score then a RAC Catapult later for funzies). I think I even managed to make the mark with my twin ERPPC Nova (only used it a few matches this event so memory is hazy).

MRMs too.

I did it with MAD 5D, 5MLs, 2MRM30s. You can put up close to 1K in it reasonably often. You get all the missile quirks and soak up the crits and such.

[Trevorkian]

Deffinately not that hard

[BrunoSSace]

Have not tried to do it yet, but doesn't the event got for nearly 2 weeks?

[Tiewolf]

El Bandito, on 08 September 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

Look OP, it is only P2W if you have to spend real money on it. You can buy consumables with C-Bills so it is not P2W. Doesn't mean I don't want consumables to be gone--I do, but your thread is just ridiculous. Stop it.

You are right about C-Bills, but thats only half of the story or the story consumable user like to believe. If you are using them regulary or more then one in a game, you can only afford them with premium time or you will make no progress for buying new mechs, equipment, skills etc..
Can you buy premium time (or hero mechs) for C-Bills? No you have to spend real money for premium time. So even if consumables cost no MC, spamming them is p2w in the big picture.
And i agree with you, that consumables should be gone, reduced in numbers or restricted to light and mediums. Not because they are p2w or game breaking but because they make the gameplay less fun (exclude UAVs here).

This thread is not ridiculous and your statment shows how out of touch the good players are with the rest of the mediocre players who are the other 90% of the playerbase. For you and your friendlist it is a walk in the park to achieve 500 matchscore without consumables. For the most other players it is hard to impossible.

Edited by Tiewolf, 09 September 2018 - 11:20 PM.

[El Bandito]

Tiewolf, on 09 September 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

This thread is not rediculous and your statment shows how out of touch the good players are with the rest of the mediocre players who are the other 90% of the playerbase. For you and your friendlist it is a walk in the park to achieve 500 matchscore without consumables. For the most other players it is hard to impossible.

And why should every achievement be possible to every single player? 5 million C-Bills is a huge prize, so one should work really hard for it.

Tiewolf, on 09 September 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

You are right about C-Bills, but thats only half of the story or the story consumable user like to believe. If you are using them regulary or more then one in a game, you can only afford them with premium time or you will make no progress for buying new mechs, equipment, skills etc..
Can you buy premium time (or hero mechs) for C-Bills? No you have to spend real money for premium time. So even if consumables cost no MC, spamming them is p2w in the big picture.
And i agree with you, that consumables should be gone, reduced in numers or restricted to light and mediums. Not because they are p2w or gamebreaking but because they make the gameplay less fun.

PGI is giving away huge amount of PT and MC during these events. Players have no right to cry about it.

[Kalleballe]

OP need to read this article about tricks so called free to play title use.

http://www.cracked.c...u-addicted.html

In short, walk away as soon as the game is not enjoyable by itself.

[LordNothing]

i got mine on a loss with my ultraviolet something like 800 damage, 3 kills, 1 solo kill and like 2 kmdds. it was enough even though the rest of the team flopped around like a bunch of seals and lost the match anyway. though i probably used consumables.

Edited by LordNothing, 10 September 2018 - 12:27 AM.

[Thorqemada]

The 2 times early this year i got above 500 were both Incursion mode.

[Vellron2005]

brroleg, on 08 September 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

I tried to reach 500 score during several quick play games(about 10), but i constantly was getting 450-480 points. I started to wonder what magic is this, why its constantly so close to 500 points but never reached it.
So i watched some Baradul's videos. And noticed, games where he reaches more than 500 score are those where he hitting targets with artillery consumables.
So here it is, pay to win aspect of this game. Before i honestly thought there is no pay2win in this game.

Pro tip:

Use LRM boats..

I hit 680+ match score several times during one all-night play session.. and 500 more than a dozen times.. no problem.

Playstyle and mech used?

I just cycled trough all my LRM50+ boats..

[Thomas The STD 300]

El Bandito, on 09 September 2018 - 11:07 PM, said:

And why should every achievement be possible to every single player? 5 million C-Bills is a huge prize, so one should work really hard for it.



PGI is giving away huge amount of PT and MC during these events. Players have no right to cry about it.

Exactly. I'm an average player who could be better and I did this at least 4 times on two accounts. My average match score is in the 220s for 3 months now. With a good mech (not any LRMs) an average to below average team, and smart positioning (not dying first or maybe even surviving!) it can easily be done. Except for the fact they screwed up and ended the event a day early... Glad I got my 10M and sorry for those who almost did.

Try a little harder!

Vellron2005, on 10 September 2018 - 02:33 AM, said:

Pro tip:

Use LRM boats..

I just cycled trough all my LRM50+ boats..

LOL.
Thanks for making me smile this morning.

[Yondu Udonta]

So it was a fairly legitimate reason why PGI tended to put abysmally low match scores as the requirement for rewards.

[Pain G0D]

Vellron2005, on 10 September 2018 - 02:33 AM, said:

Pro tip:

Use LRM boats..

I hit 680+ match score several times during one all-night play session.. and 500 more than a dozen times.. no problem.

Playstyle and mech used?

I just cycled trough all my LRM50+ boats..

I bought a Belial on discount , Pulled all his weapons off and added Lurms and Small Lasers . Thats how i got my 500 score . Never used any consumables .

[Vellron2005]

Pain G0D, on 10 September 2018 - 04:54 AM, said:

I bought a Belial on discount , Pulled all his weapons off and added Lurms and Small Lasers . Thats how i got my 500 score . Never used any consumables .

See.

This man knows how to do it..

[Horseman]

Tiewolf, on 09 September 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

You are right about C-Bills, but thats only half of the story or the story consumable user like to believe. If you are using them regulary or more then one in a game, you can only afford them with premium time or you will make no progress for buying new mechs, equipment, skills etc..

The mistake there is relying on consumables. You should only employ them when you need an edge.

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Can you buy premium time (or hero mechs) for C-Bills? No you have to spend real money for premium time.

During some events, you can obtain active PT from event rewards or loot bags.

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So even if consumables cost no MC, spamming them is p2w in the big picture.

You don't need PT to afford consumables, you just need to learn to not waste them needlessly. If you're expending every consumable every match, you're doing something wrong.

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This thread is not ridiculous

The event offers you something you can try to achieve - and which gives you a hefty prize if you do - but it's not going to kidnap your firstborn and mutilate your cattle if you don't.
This thread was opened with a fallacious assumption that it's impossible to break 500 score without relying on consumables, period, and that therefore consumables are P2W.
Both of those claims have been disproven, don't change the goalposts.

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and your statment shows how out of touch the good players are with the rest of the mediocre players who are the other 90% of the playerbase.

It might be shocking to you, but most of the players who posted here to disagree with OP's notion are not in the top 10%.

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For you and your friendlist it is a walk in the park to achieve 500 matchscore without consumables.

Not a walk in the park by any means, but it is doable when you choose the right tool for the job.
It requires a fairly optimized mech build and playing with a bit of caution rather than charging head on, so that you can survive - and vomit damage - for longer. That's the extent of it. As Vellron said, LRM boats have an easy job of it if they took enough tubes and ammo - my AWS-8R got a workout early on.

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For the most other players it is hard to impossible.

Only if they keep believing that. Doubt is the mind killer.

Edited by Horseman, 10 September 2018 - 05:31 AM.

[latinisator]

justcallme A S H, on 08 September 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

The issue is to get 500 match score it means one of two things...

1 Actual being good.
2. Sitting back and LRMing like true Wolf Loyalist.

You don't need consumables at all.

Help, I'm neither. Still did it with my Skill-Man. Got close with my Adder (5 ERML) and Nova (stock).

[Khobai]

you dont need consumables to get 500 match score

and PGI should just remove consumables from the game

[Lanisu]

i resorted to a lrmx80 super nova on polar lurmlands. 1300dmg 700 matchscore and we didnt even win.

[Cazador88]

Its not that hard to get that 500ms atleast i did it yesterday with my supernova A with lrms and atms equipped but saw a thread earlier where the guy easily achieved it with a triple ams kit fox too by shooting down missiles. On those arty and air strikes though theyre only good for getting you some plus dmg points or scaring the hell out of noobs. Theyre only really useful when a whole team throws them at one specific point on a grouped up enemy but in fp had a lot of times where we just marched through one or two smoke and still killed most who got in our way. Plus anyone can get them for about 40k cbills which is practically nothing so no theyre not pay to win.

Edited by tollas669, 10 September 2018 - 06:26 AM.