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[w4ldO]

LordNothing, on 20 September 2018 - 06:27 AM, said:

everyone says that and i give in and every time i run into heat problems at some point. mini itx and tdp dont mix. maybe il splurge at the last minute and spend the extra $20, thats my mechpack money but who cares lol. of course then i need a cooler so add another $50 for something that just might cut it. oh crap there goes my nvme drive.

you need to decap your intel cpu these days.
the thermal goo intel puts betweed the chips itself and its heatspreader is just garbage.
decapping and replacing that goo can give 10 to 20 degrees temp difference

[LordNothing]

w4ldO, on 20 September 2018 - 11:45 PM, said:

you need to decap your intel cpu these days.
the thermal goo intel puts betweed the chips itself and its heatspreader is just garbage.
decapping and replacing that goo can give 10 to 20 degrees temp difference

im not about to void the warranty on a brand spanking new processor.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 September 2018 - 08:35 AM.

[LordNothing]

i think i found a cooler that will let me run the k varient without busting bank. supposidly it can handle chips all the way to 115 tdp.

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA4UF6HN5537

so much for coming in under 1k. yolo.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 September 2018 - 10:23 AM.

[darqsyde]

I'm waiting to buy a new system when we have reasonable idea of the specs for CP2077.

However, if I had to buy today, I'd look at a Ryzen 5/7, and 1070+ (why have you forsaken us AMD?) on a B450 platform.

Since Intel is likely to launch the i9-9x00 series before the end of the year, maybe wait to see what's up on Black Friday/X-mas sales. That could be a good choice as well. Maybe grab a 2070+ then as well.

[LordNothing]

it took four years for my 4790k to start feeling slow (and it still blows a lot of stuff out of the water). i dont think we have anything to worry about.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 September 2018 - 02:46 PM.

[w4ldO]

LordNothing, on 21 September 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

im not about to void the warranty on a brand spanking new processor.

then you would be better off keeping your 4790k.
buy a proper cooler and overclock it
4790k should be one of the last gallium soldered IHS chips.

[LordNothing]

w4ldO, on 22 September 2018 - 01:05 AM, said:

then you would be better off keeping your 4790k.
buy a proper cooler and overclock it
4790k should be one of the last gallium soldered IHS chips.

are you like one of those people who puts an aftermarket spoiler on their sedan to make it go faster?

i just want a computer that works at its rated specs.

Edited by LordNothing, 22 September 2018 - 03:52 AM.

[Peter2k]

LordNothing, on 21 September 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

im not about to void the warranty on a brand spanking new processor.

wait for the next gen from Intel
supposedly they are soldered again, also supposedly you can keep the "old" boards from the 8th gen, so no need to pick a new board too
I'd really just wait just a tad longer

I just haven't dived into the Intel news since I'm quite happy with my Chip as is, and again I do not look forward of redoing a complete build when all other games would benefit from upgrading the GPU the most anyway

especially because of this

LordNothing, on 21 September 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

it took four years for my 4790k to start feeling slow (and it still blows a lot of stuff out of the water). i dont think we have anything to worry about.

darqsyde, on 21 September 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

However, if I had to buy today, I'd look at a Ryzen 5/7, and 1070+ (why have you forsaken us AMD?) on a B450 platform.
Maybe grab a 2070+ then as well.

Probably better to go with a 1080 then a 2070
1080 is even with a RTX 2080 in many cases, but prices should hopefully be better on the "old" 10th line cards
I can't see the 2070 rivaling a used 1080

for the RTX cards it seems 2080ti or go home really

darqsyde, on 21 September 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm waiting to buy a new system when we have reasonable idea of the specs for CP2077.

I understand the sentiment, but there will be nothing more powerful than a RTX 2080ti for a long time, except an even higher priced Titan version
AMD hasn't been able to counter a 1080ti yet, going to be a LONG wait until they can get something better on the market

So the GPU is as good as its going to get until then

but who knows, maybe NVidia will have a 7nm chip design with improved clocks by then

Edited by Peter2k, 22 September 2018 - 10:10 AM.

[LordNothing]

Peter2k, on 22 September 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

wait for the next gen from Intel
supposedly they are soldered again, also supposedly you can keep the "old" boards from the 8th gen, so no need to pick a new board too
I'd really just wait just a tad longer

I just haven't dived into the Intel news since I'm quite happy with my Chip as is, and again I do not look forward of redoing a complete build when all other games would benefit from upgrading the GPU the most anyway

especially because of this

i hear this line every cpu generation. eventually you have to buy something. and with my luck they will retire the current flavor of socket for a new one the second i buy something. thats currently the issue with my 4790k, you just cant get good mobos for it anymore. if i needed a replacement my only hope would be to look for old stock on ebay, and there goes any possibility of getting access to things like nvme m.2 and usb3.1. as for news it pretty much boils down to 'moore's law is dead and intel doesnt know what to do with itself now'. i really wanted to give amd a shot since ryzen but i just didnt like my mobo options.

Edited by LordNothing, 22 September 2018 - 07:36 PM.

[ForceUser]

LordNothing, on 22 September 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

i hear this line every cpu generation. eventually you have to buy something. and with my luck they will retire the current flavor of socket for a new one the second i buy something. thats currently the issue with my 4790k, you just cant get good mobos for it anymore. if i needed a replacement my only hope would be to look for old stock on ebay, and there goes any possibility of getting access to things like nvme m.2 and usb3.1. as for news it pretty much boils down to 'moore's law is dead and intel doesnt know what to do with itself now'. i really wanted to give amd a shot since ryzen but i just didnt like my mobo options.

Yea it's a bit fo a crap shoot when it comes to intel CPUs and sockets. you never know how many generations the current socket will support although it's usually between 1 and 2 generations (normally 2).

For AMD we know for a fact that the current AM4 socket will be supported up to 2020. So any CPUs released in 2020 should still fit on a AM4 MB. That should be 4 generations (we're at gen 2 atm)

[The Mysterious Fox]

just get a 1080ti, its less than half the price of the silly new 2080ti where im at and it should be comfortable for 4k60fps gaming for a long time coming. theres rarely ever a cpu bottleneck at this point for most consumer uses, put the money into a decent cooling system instead.

besides, the bad press around RTX lately, id be surprised if the 2080ti could run MW5 RTX on at 1080p 60fps.

[LordNothing]

i could never imagine spending more than $300 on a video card. i just dont play that many games and none of them need it.

[Ghogiel]

you need a RTX 2080

[LT. HARDCASE]

Peter2k, on 22 September 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

1080 is even with a RTX 2080 in many cases, but prices should hopefully be better on the "old" 10th line cards

I hope you mean the GTX 1080 Ti, because the GTX 1080 doesn't equal the RTX 2080 in any case, at any resolution.

Really it's always faster than the Ti as well, even if just by a smidgen.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 23 September 2018 - 07:59 AM.

[LordNothing]

il probibly get one when the e-currency miners are done with them.

[Splatshot]

Christophe Ivanov, on 19 September 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Does anyone know what the specifications for MW5 will be? I'll be looking to build a PC soon and want to be sure I'm within the specs.

Much thanks Folks!

They will not be high, remember when you are coding on a toaster all you need is a toaster to make it work.

[w4ldO]

LordNothing, on 22 September 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

are you like one of those people who puts an aftermarket spoiler on their sedan to make it go faster?

i just want a computer that works at its rated specs.

quite the opposite.
i'm the type of guy that puts better breaks in it to drive fast for a longer time....
(and i have no idea what a Sedan looks like tbh)

in your position you really should go with the mantra of "don't buy what you don't need right now"
and when you buy, make sure to look up the intel roadmap for your desired cpu socket.
also i would suggest to wait for pci express 4.0

graphic cards is another wait-and-see topic right now. nvidia wasnt ready for the 2080 release and has to catch up with drivers. expect the next generation to yield better results.

[LordNothing]

w4ldO, on 23 September 2018 - 11:00 PM, said:

quite the opposite.
i'm the type of guy that puts better breaks in it to drive fast for a longer time....
(and i have no idea what a Sedan looks like tbh)

in your position you really should go with the mantra of "don't buy what you don't need right now"
and when you buy, make sure to look up the intel roadmap for your desired cpu socket.
also i would suggest to wait for pci express 4.0

graphic cards is another wait-and-see topic right now. nvidia wasnt ready for the 2080 release and has to catch up with drivers. expect the next generation to yield better results.

the whole problem is that hardware gets old and fails, and its doing so at a faster rate than obsolescence these days. i used to build a computer every 2 years and get noticeable gains in performance with every build. 2 years ago i found i couldnt afford a better rig than what i was already running at the same pricepoint, last year i found something that was about on par and still above my price range. but when your mobo acts funny on even a brand new power supply and you cant get a better one, its time to move on.

there is always going to be new technology. pcie 4.0 is nice and all but its going to be years before i can actually use that. im not about to spend more than $300 on a video card, i never have before. and it will take that long before rtx becomes mainstreem, right now its pretty much a pro performance option. it might be a year or two before i can get a video card that can use that and will be running the 1060 for now. i can make use of the nvme m.2 and usb 3.1 right now. the former will give noticable gains in performance and the latter will allow me to run more frequent backups without as much interruption to my usage. i can make use of 50% more cores/threads now for workstation tasks.