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[Ruccus]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

ViewMax GeForce GT 730 4GB GDDR3 128 Bit PCI Express (PCIe) DVI Video Card HDMI

I was a bit puzzled by the mention of 192 processor cores, and after a bit of google-fu I think I tracked your card down to probably being a rebadged GeForce 450/550 era card (Fermi core). It should be an improvement if your current GT 730 has 96 cuda cores or a 64 bit memory interface.

It's an obscure card, more akin to something like a GeForce GTS 450.

[Harlock69]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

Yup, that's a microtower with a BTX motherboard so you should be able to fit full sized cards in it. Do you have a specific budget you want to keep to? A full sized Radeon RX560, GeForce GTX 1050 or GTX 1050Ti card should be fine depending on the budget.

Depending on what's left of the Xmas bonus after real-life expenses, hopefully $200-$300 this year. The more I'm reading here, the more I'm leaning toward going with the i7 2600 processor if I can.

[Tarl Cabot]

Harlock69, on 27 September 2018 - 09:43 AM, said:

This is the only real game I play, so not looking for a rocket, just something to get me out of the low-res basement, without breaking the bank.

Current rig, getting 27-30 fps on lowest possible video settings.
HP 6200 Pro 320w power supply
i5 2400 @ 3.10 ghz.
16 gb Ddr3 1333 ram 1600mhz
Zotac GT 730 card 4gb.

Can't financially do a whole new machine. I may be able to either upgrade the processor OR the card this year.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
John

That SFF does have a 320watt PSU.. GPU does need to be a SFF GPU but is not restricted to a single slot. A GTX 1050 or 1050 TI would be enough to push 50/60FPS. You will have to double check that the card comes with SFF /low profile bracket.

I had purchased a SFF HP Elite 8200 i5-3570 and put in a GTX 1050. Combined total $225ish? Ebayed Computer was $90 and the newegg 1050 GPU was $135. I had to hunt for a single slot card due how the motherboard/case was setup.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 27 September 2018 - 04:45 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

ViewMax GeForce GT 730 4GB GDDR3 128 Bit PCI Express (PCIe) DVI Video Card HDMI

If you need the low profile bracket to make it fit, you will have to purchase it separately. The replies on Amazon indicated that the bracket would have to be purchased separately.

edit Sorry for the extra post, I had not read the entire thread before I made the first post.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 27 September 2018 - 04:53 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Well, the money is already spent and the card arrives tomorrow from Amazon, plus I don't have the extra money for the more expensive card from Newegg even after returning this one.

What exact system do you have? I'm trying to figure out why you couldn't spend $84.99 shipped on a GT 1030 instead, which would be 3 or 4 times faster at least.

I'm only asking because I'm genuinely trying to help.

[Ruccus]

Harlock69, on 27 September 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

Depending on what's left of the Xmas bonus after real-life expenses, hopefully $200-$300 this year. The more I'm reading here, the more I'm leaning toward going with the i7 2600 processor if I can.

I doubt it'd be worth it to upgrade from a Core i5 2400 to a Core i7 2600; only benefits are a modest 300mhz clock bump and hyperthreading.

While I run my Core i5 2500K at over 4Ghz I could declock it to 3.1Ghz tonight to emulate a 2400 and see if it's playable with my RX480. If it is, getting a card of similar performance to my RX 480 (probably something like a GTX 1060) should give you a similar gaming experience.

[BlueStrat]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

I was a bit puzzled by the mention of 192 processor cores, and after a bit of google-fu I think I tracked your card down to probably being a rebadged GeForce 450/550 era card (Fermi core). It should be an improvement if your current GT 730 has 96 cuda cores or a 64 bit memory interface.

LT. HARDCASE, on 27 September 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

What exact system do you have? I'm trying to figure out why you couldn't spend $84.99 shipped on a GT 1030 instead, which would be 3 or 4 times faster at least.

I'm only asking because I'm genuinely trying to help.

Thank you, it's much appreciated.

Amazon & Newegg never showed it to me because I selected filters for minimum 4gb and 128-bit. That one is 2gb & 64-bit. Is it faster even though it's only a 64-bit memory @2gb? Keep in mind I only have 8gb of system RAM.

I built this thing myself inside my old HP Pavilion tower case. My mobo is a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H with 8gb RAM and a non-SSD 200gb HDD. I'm running Win7 Ultimate 64bit.

I used to be quite PC-savvy back when I worked and had money, but it's now so long between upgrades I'm behind on what's current regarding hardware.

This box is pretty much my only contact to the outside world besides my landline phone. I've never owned a smart-phone. I have no car. I pay my bills and shop online with my computer, and it replaces my old, obsolete, non-digital TV (I can't afford cable TV, barely afford internet).

I'm a poor old blues guitarist with no family (hence the name) with multiple health issues surviving on ~$900/month Social Security of which over $700/mo goes to rent + utilities. Church mice are fat-cats compared to me!

Also, thanks to everyone who's been so helpful and kind. I appreciate it a lot.

Edited by BlueStrat, 27 September 2018 - 06:11 PM.

[Vxheous]

Please, please PLEASE don't try and throw money into patching up a computer with tech from 2011, you're not going to get good return performance for it and will just be disappointed. Best option is to just save up for a few months and buy that starter computer someone listed for $450, you will get way more of an upgrade and not be throwing money away for nothing.

[kuma8877]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

I doubt it'd be worth it to upgrade from a Core i5 2400 to a Core i7 2600; only benefits are a modest 300mhz clock bump and hyperthreading.

While I run my Core i5 2500K at over 4Ghz I could declock it to 3.1Ghz tonight to emulate a 2400 and see if it's playable with my RX480. If it is, getting a card of similar performance to my RX 480 (probably something like a GTX 1060) should give you a similar gaming experience.

I may have to agree after some further thought, as I had originally assumed that the upgrade would be from the I3 version rather than already having the I5. Hyperthreading on the I7 isn't really going to be a benefit for MWO, and as the physical per core strength is going to be pretty similar between the two other than the slight clock boost (which would be helpful as it's not a (K) but probably not enough to justify trying to track one down at this point).

Edited by kuma8877, 27 September 2018 - 06:19 PM.

[kuma8877]

Vxheous, on 27 September 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

Please, please PLEASE don't try and throw money into patching up a computer with tech from 2011, you're not going to get good return performance for it and will just be disappointed. Best option is to just save up for a few months and buy that starter computer someone listed for $450, you will get way more of an upgrade and not be throwing money away for nothing.

This isn't entirely true. My son's comp is my old I5 750 (which is older) with 16gb ddr2 and a 970 and it will run MWO just fine, even in surround (50-60ish with some dips on most maps). The I5 has run MWO well with a 660, 2 660's and the 970. The processor isn't junk yet and the board allows for a bit of upgrade ability, why not use it if the budget isn't available for a whole new rig?

Edited by kuma8877, 27 September 2018 - 06:29 PM.

[Vxheous]

kuma8877, on 27 September 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

This isn't entirely true. My son's comp is my old I5 750 (which is older) with 16gb ddr2 and a 970 and it will run MWO just fine, even in surround (50-60ish with some dips on most maps). The I5 has run MWO well with a 660, 2 660's and the 970. The processor isn't junk yet and the board allows for a bit of upgrade ability, why not use it if the budget isn't available for a whole new rig?

Here's the thing though, you put a GTX 970 into an aging computer, and you're barely getting 50-60 fps. GTX 970's should be getting 90-100 fps at 1080p in this game, so unless you picked up the 970 for sub $100 or something, you wasted money on very little gain. My old computer from 2014 (i5 3570K 4.4ghz + GTX 770) nets me 80-90 fps in MWO. Throwing a newer card into an old CPU that's the primary bottleneck is a waste of money.

Edited by Vxheous, 27 September 2018 - 06:41 PM.

[BlueStrat]

Vxheous, on 27 September 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

Please, please PLEASE don't try and throw money into patching up a computer with tech from 2011, you're not going to get good return performance for it and will just be disappointed. Best option is to just save up for a few months and buy that starter computer someone listed for $450, you will get way more of an upgrade and not be throwing money away for nothing.

$450 should only take me about 3-1/2 to 4 years to save-up if I eat nothing but Ramen noodles and don't turn on any lights or the heat during the Michigan winters.

Edited by BlueStrat, 27 September 2018 - 06:55 PM.

[Vxheous]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

$450 should only take me about 3-1/2 to 4 years to save-up if I eat nothing but Ramen noodles and don't turn on any lights or the heat this winter.

, that sucks. Are you sure computer gaming is the right hobby for you?

Edited by Vxheous, 27 September 2018 - 06:45 PM.

[kuma8877]

Vxheous, on 27 September 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

Here's the thing though, you put a GTX 970 into an aging computer, and you're barely getting 50-60 fps. GTX 970's should be getting 90-100 fps at 1080p in this game, so unless you picked up the 970 for sub $100 or something, you wasted money on very little gain. My old computer from 2014 (i5 3570K 4.4ghz + GTX 770) nets me 80-90 fps in MWO. Throwing a newer card into an old CPU that's the primary bottleneck is a waste of money.

While I would agree with that, the 970 is overkill in the system, (but I had it to pass down when I got my 1070) but that 50-60 is in surround, not 1080. It's much higher on a single screen. Also, we're not talking about putting something like a 970 in there (way outta budget) we're trying to find a budget solution that is enough to make MWO an enjoyable experience in most use cases, and just MWO. It's a much easier proposition in both effort and price, as something like a 1050 could match up well for this use case without being a bad buy or having to build the system to get the best price (if inexperienced).

[BlueStrat]

Vxheous, on 27 September 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

, that sucks. Are you sure computer gaming is the right hobby for you?

Well, for entertainment I have an ancient bookshelf stereo and my guitar and...an abacus running MWO.

When you've so few options, putting up with slide-show FPS is almost tolerable.

[Humpday]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

$450 should only take me about 3-1/2 to 4 years to save-up if I eat nothing but Ramen noodles and don't turn on any lights or the heat during the Michigan winters.

Uhhh I don't think you should be spending money on computers if its THAT bad.

EDIT: I shouldnt be throwing around my income at people like that, bad juju.

Save your money dude!!! Play videogames later after you handle "3 years just to save $450 bucks", man I hope your either really young or completely over exaggerating.

Edited by Humpday, 27 September 2018 - 07:18 PM.

[Ruccus]

Just finished a gaming session with my Core i5 2500K set to stock (my bios didn't seem to like me manually setting the multiplier to 31 for a 3.1Ghz clock speed as after saving and exiting, CPUID still recognized me as having a 4.2Ghz overclock so I just shut down my manual clocking of the processor) and didn't have any issues. Had an average game in my Vulcan on Solaris, a bad game in my Gargles on Polar, and a good game in my Gargles on Crimson. Didn't notice that much of a difference and I never found it unplayable.

Settings were 1920x1080, everything on Very High and DX11. I have little doubt if the OP got a decent gaming card at around $200 (RX570, RX580, or GTX 1060) he shouldn't have an issue playing the game in 1920x1080 with High to Very High settings.

With regards to upgrading, while it's been a while (my current system is old but still performs) I generally like to 'over-GPU' a bit if I intend to carry that GPU over to another system at a future date. A current $200 GPU is more card than a processor like the i5 2400 can use, but in a couple years if put into a decent future computer from 2020 or so it should be very much at home and in its element.

With a CPU like the i5 2400 it's going to be the last upgrade for that computer - once this isn't playable it'll be time to upgrade the processor and motherboard then carry the GPU over into the new machine.

[BlueStrat]

Humpday, on 27 September 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

Uhhh I don't think you should be spending money on computers if its THAT bad.

EDIT: I shouldnt be throwing around my income at people like that, bad juju.

Save your money dude!!! Play videogames later after you handle "3 years just to save $450 bucks", man I hope your either really young or completely over exaggerating.

Read further back up the thread to my previous posts.

I'm (in ~2 weeks) 61, disabled on social security, no vehicle, legally blind, and have no TV. I barely afford internet.

My abacus...err...PC...is basically my connection to the world, it's how I pay my monthly bills, and it's my primary source of entertainment (besides my old guitar and one can only play so long or so late) all in one. I'm only a step or two from being a shut-in. MWO is the only game I play nowadays since War Thunder made it so joysticks suck for aircraft (tho I have a ton of planes in WT). Never could get the hang of flying with kbd/mouse. (No, I don't use a stick in MWO )

[Vxheous]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

Read further back up the thread to my previous posts.

I'm (in ~2 weeks) 61, disabled on social security, no vehicle, legally blind, and have no TV. I barely afford internet.

My abacus...err...PC...is basically my connection to the world, it's how I pay my monthly bills, and it's my primary source of entertainment (besides my old guitar and one can only play so long or so late) all in one. I'm only a step or two from being a shut-in. MWO is the only game I play nowadays since War Thunder made it so joysticks suck for aircraft (tho I have a ton of planes in WT). Never could get the hang of flying with kbd/mouse. (No, I don't use a stick in MWO )

You sound like you could use a gofundme for a new computer.

[Zebbi]

All I can tell you is what I use, which is super cheap and works for me,

Comp is a 3 year old dell 4th gen i3 processer 160w psu $200 from amazon

Graphics card is a gt1030 mainly because 30w power draw $75 from amazon

Runs at 1080p settings at medium, 55 to 70fps depending on the map.

Been running fine for 8 months or so.

Thread got me thinking , all setting high at 1080p, 40 to 50 fps. still ok, for me that is. Might keep it at high.

Edited by Zebbi, 27 September 2018 - 09:31 PM.