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[Jackal Noble]

For clarification aside from all that other stuff; the Rancor was introduced sans ECM. If it wasn’t that would be a different story, but it was. That is why. It’s a fictional design that was put forth, and for the sake of keeping all else constant, it will not be in anyone’s interest to change mechs every time Player X (that’s you in this case) decides they want their pet mech to have more viability.
Just like Hellspawn owners want to get rid of that derpy missile pod - that one I could actually support.
You have a choice; if you want a Blood Asp that has ECM you can. If you want to run 6 ERLLs on a 90 Tom assault and get 30% more cbills you can do that. Stop making a non difficult issue to comprehend so difficult.

[Vellron2005]

ilKhan_OrHan, on 31 October 2018 - 05:21 PM, said:

Most people when piloting ECM capable mechs bring the ECM. Rancor without ECM is not a strong value when purchased. I always use the ECM variants first (of any ECM capable mech) and have only found one use for Rancor and that is in Solaris. I don't use it for anything else and if it was CT ECM capable like the A and B variants, it would be my first choice everytime per the 30% C-Bill bonus. Other ECM omnis like Hellbringer can swap the LT for ECM capability in the Hellbringer hero to give that mech superior value. Rancor should have CT ECM by default since it can't be swapped out for. Ice Ferret hero Rainbow Crow has CT ECM, this is inconsistent that Rancor does not.

Also like the lore friendly look of Blood Asp, just wish the ST rails were a tad smaller like the original concept art which was a real winner. Double hardpoints up there was a great touch! Keep up the good work and keep up the great variety of game modes like Solaris 7 and Faction Warfare!

If a mech got ECM capability after it's out for MC, that would be a first.

Never has PGI done such a major power upgrade after launch.. so.. yeah.. not happening.

Wanna buy a mech pack?

[TELEFORCE]

Astrocanis, on 01 November 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

So, you are of the opinion that what you paid for was NOT the paintjob, name or 30% boost? There has to be a downside to "special" mechs, otherwise the game becomes P2W.

I really don't understand why people feel this way about units with C-Bill bonuses. Please explain.

[FupDup]

TELEFORCE, on 02 November 2018 - 02:57 AM, said:

I really don't understand why people feel this way about units with C-Bill bonuses. Please explain.

They don't feel this way towards things like Collector's or Special variants because those are identical in combat performance to a standard C-Bill variant. They only feel this way towards hero mechs because those are not equal in combat performance because they have different quirks and hardpoints.

Sometimes they are objectively superior to C-Bill variants in their combat performance, and when you have superior mechs that require real money to purchase you've got yourself a problem. And yes, sometimes they can also be inferior as well. That's why paywalling unique configurations can be so polarizing. If there were just C-Bill variants that had the same quirks and hardpoints as hero variants, but without any special paint job or money booster, then the issue would go away entirely.

But that will never happen of course because power sells.

Edited by FupDup, 02 November 2018 - 03:17 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

FupDup, on 02 November 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

They don't feel this way towards things like Collector's or Special variants because those are identical in combat performance to a standard C-Bill variant. They only feel this way towards hero mechs because those are not equal in combat performance because they have different quirks and hardpoints.

Sometimes they are objectively superior to C-Bill variants in their combat performance, and when you have superior mechs that require real money to purchase you've got yourself a problem. And yes, sometimes they can also be inferior as well. That's why paywalling unique configurations can be so polarizing. If there were just C-Bill variants that had the same quirks and hardpoints as hero variants, but without any special paint job or money booster, then the issue would go away entirely.

But that will never happen of course because power sells.

Well let's just do away with money completely because money makes things happen.

[ilKhan_OrHan]

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 November 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

Says who? The Dire Wolf & Huntsman have variants with ECM, so is ECM a core part of these 'mechs?

"I want this" is also not a logical argument.

If a mech has ECM most people build around it and don't exclude it. CT ECM omnis should have heroes with ECM capability like the Ice Ferret since you can't swap a pod for it.

[Redacted]

Jackal Noble, on 01 November 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

For clarification aside from all that other stuff; the Rancor was introduced sans ECM. If it wasn’t that would be a different story, but it was. That is why. It’s a fictional design that was put forth, and for the sake of keeping all else constant, it will not be in anyone’s interest to change mechs every time Player X (that’s you in this case) decides they want their pet mech to have more viability.
Just like Hellspawn owners want to get rid of that derpy missile pod - that one I could actually support.
You have a choice; if you want a Blood Asp that has ECM you can. If you want to run 6 ERLLs on a 90 Tom assault and get 30% more cbills you can do that. Stop making a non difficult issue to comprehend so difficult.

Every mech is "fictional" this game isn't a historical account of future walking robots shooting each other. There are other CT ECM hero mechs in this game, no reason Rancor can't have it also. [Redacted]

Vellron2005, on 01 November 2018 - 11:58 PM, said:

If a mech got ECM capability after it's out for MC, that would be a first.

Never has PGI done such a major power upgrade after launch.. so.. yeah.. not happening.

Wanna buy a mech pack?

I am a trailblazer, lets go Rancor ECM!

Edited by draiocht, 04 November 2018 - 12:37 AM.
unconstructive, insults, inappropriate language, replies removed

[FLG 01]

ilKhan_OrHan, on 31 October 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

ECM is an intrinsic part of this mech.

Actually, no, it is not. Only two of eight variants sport ECM, and none of the is the Prime.

ilKhan_OrHan, on 02 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

Every mech is "fictional" this game isn't a historical account of future walking robots shooting each other. There are other CT ECM hero mechs in this game, no reason Rancor can't have it also. [Redacted]

The BattleTech fiction has a canon, though. And in canon, only few variants have ECM. Without knowing the backstory of the Rancor there is no compelling in-universe argument for it having ECM.
I could go on about the role of ECM among the Clans, and differences in attitude between IS and Clan towards ECM, but I am not sure you care.

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 04 November 2018 - 12:32 AM.
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[dante245]

FLG 01, on 02 November 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

Actually, no, it is not. Only two of eight variants sport ECM, and none of the is the Prime.



The BattleTech fiction has a canon, though. And in canon, only few variants have ECM. Without knowing the backstory of the Rancor there is no compelling in-universe argument for it having ECM.
I could go on about the role of ECM among the Clans, and differences in attitude between IS and Clan towards ECM, but I am not sure you care.

[Redacted]

isn't it a omni mech? so you can just put the ECM on any variant you want? lol this thread seems pointless if so.

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[Y E O N N E]

dante245, on 02 November 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

isn't it a omni mech? so you can just put the ECM on any variant you want? lol this thread seems pointless if so.

OP wants the C-bill bonus and the ECM, which you can't currently do because the bonus is tied to the CT of the Rancor while you need the CT of the A or B models to get ECM.

But yes, this thread is pointless. Pointless because it has nothing to do with the 'Mech's performance and everything to do with the OP wanting to have his cake and eat it, too. Also pointless because the OP wants everybody in this thread to support his position or GTFO, which defeats the purpose and spirit of a public forum posting. This is a troll thread and nothing more.

[Nightbird]

You got what you paid for... some mechs exist to make others look good. This is one of them. It's why I didn't buy it, why did you?

[Thorn Hallis]

Ain't gonna happen anyway.

Plus the Blasp has more serious problems that will never be fixed.

[Ted Wayz]

This thing needs armor, or at least some way not to lose limbs the first time it gets hit. Just awful.

As far as I can tell all variants, ECM or not, suffer from Black Knight syndrome. ECM might delay the inevitable but eventually they all take direct fire. If PGI is going to improve this mech start with hitboxes and armor.

[x Deathstrike x]

@OP
It was already said by Yeonne Greene. So why is ECM on the Rancor so important for you?
The ONLY reason is to have a BAS with ECM AND C-Bill Bonus.
Kinda weak reason dont you think?

You can build anything you may want to build with the Rancor with BAS-B which has ECM built in.
Use BAS-B, dont get greedy (literally). Are you really that desperate for those extra 30% C-Bills?
I feel a sense of entitlement...



Also.. OP liking his own posts. Lame...

Edited by x Deathstrike x, 04 November 2018 - 03:50 AM.

[ilKhan_OrHan]

FLG 01, on 02 November 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

Actually, no, it is not. Only two of eight variants sport ECM, and none of the is the Prime. The BattleTech fiction has a canon, though. And in canon, only few variants have ECM. Without knowing the backstory of the Rancor there is no compelling in-universe argument for it having ECM. I could go on about the role of ECM among the Clans, and differences in attitude between IS and Clan towards ECM, but I am not sure you care. [Redacted]

ECM is top priority on capable makes making it intrinsically important. [Redacted]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 November 2018 - 10:25 PM, said:

OP wants the C-bill bonus and the ECM, which you can't currently do because the bonus is tied to the CT of the Rancor while you need the CT of the A or B models to get ECM. But yes, this thread is pointless. Pointless because it has nothing to do with the 'Mech's performance and everything to do with the OP wanting to have his cake and eat it, too. Also pointless because the OP wants everybody in this thread to support his position or GTFO, which defeats the purpose and spirit of a public forum posting. This is a troll thread and nothing more.

I use Blood Asp a lot and making the hero ECM capable is a great value for me. [Redacted]

Nightbird, on 02 November 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

You got what you paid for... some mechs exist to make others look good. This is one of them. It's why I didn't buy it, why did you?

This is an omni mech and Rancor has helpful pods. I know what I am talking about and post intelligently. Why are you here?

x Deathstrike x, on 04 November 2018 - 03:47 AM, said:

@OP It was already said by Yeonne Greene. So why is ECM on the Rancor so important for you? The ONLY reason is to have a BAS with ECM AND C-Bill Bonus. Kinda weak reason dont you think? You can build anything you may want to build with the Rancor with BAS-B which has ECM built in. Use BAS-B, dont get greedy (literally). Are you really that desperate for those extra 30% C-Bills? I feel a sense of entitlement... Also.. OP liking his own posts. Lame...

Totally different pods, [Redacted]. 30% C-Bill boost is awesome [Redacted]

[Redacted] You hate it because it is OP Clan tech and it rained on your parade long ago with introduction of clan into lore.

This is a BIG missed opportunity for PGI. This can be bigger than Deathstrike hero with ECM capability. Once people get the C-bill version, they will see how good the mech is and be more willing to buy a hero, especially if it has ECM. Ice Ferret hero has CT ECM and this is not consistent with Rancor just because it is a much stronger chassis. Blood Asp can do MUCH more versatile loadout options than Deathstrike, hero not being in line with the other ECM variants is not smart.

Edited by draiocht, 06 November 2018 - 01:53 PM.
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[Nightbird]

ilKhan_OrHan, on 05 November 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

This is an omni mech and Rancor has helpful pods. I know what I am talking about and post intelligently. Why are you here?

The one who is right about about what PGI will or will not do is the one posting intelligently.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I wonder if it takes six years with this community to reach this level of troll. Kudos OP.

[Jay Leon Hart]

ilKhan_OrHan, on 05 November 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

[Redacted]

[Redacted]

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[Alvar Von Kenesthor]

Don't mind me, I'm just here enjoying my popcorn bowl.

[lobsterhierarchy]

Since this is a pointless wishlisting thread, I want a self designed Gargoyle II with 10 extra tons, MASC, and ECM.

[x Deathstrike x]

this guy is hilarious. Better than us? Intelligently posting? Knows what omnipods are?
My God I can't stop laughing. If you knew what omnipods you would not have made this thread unless the only thing you are looking for is ECM plus cbill boost.

Also Jay's post... Its not like we can't check your claims Mr ilKhan.
BTW thx Jay for that compilation!

Edited by x Deathstrike x, 06 November 2018 - 08:30 AM.