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[Inatu Elimor]

So they warned me : do not get into tier 1 or you get salty. Did not understand the underlying message at the time. Me getting salty? No way. Never. What do you mean, really ?
Now I happen to have an alternative account in the low tiers. Guess what ? My lowtier friends popping up in the T1! This should be a moment of rejoice but...other scum (not you, my friends) gets in. Matches going mayhem. Suddenly I find myself yelling at mechs that do really stupid things. Worse: I warned them but they don't listen. That's okay when you are t1. You payed your credits. This credits do not go to T5, however.

Here starts the frustration. I have been putting alot of time and effort to get where I am now. I want to fight with my peers. I do not want to end up after all efforts with beginner players, ignoring all basic rules.

I will keep on playing MWO and restrain becoming salty. But I understand the salty ones by now, and believe me: it's not my very wish to understand the salty ones.

Oh, in case you forgot: MWO remains a superior game.

I just don't want to be a babysitter.

Edited by Inatu Elimor, 17 November 2018 - 10:47 AM.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Most of the frustrations could be solved by making the Group Quick Play match-making better.

I'm new to the game and even I get frustrated by the fact that the assaults go after lights and the rest follow, leaving the flank wide open. On top of that, when it's time to push forward and make the advantage count, everyone stops and get chewed up by the enemies.

Just a couple of hours ago, me in the Javelin and another player, also in the Javelin, went on a back-stabbing run. "On the count of 3... 3...2....1...." and within seconds, a dead enemy Assault lay at our feet. This went on and we killed 4 enemies ourselves while the team kept the pressure up. I've added a few of those players into my friend's list but it's really frustrating that if I add a few players in my friend's list to a group and try a QP match, we never can find one.

[Acersecomic]

Inatu Elimor, on 17 November 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

Oh, in case you forgot: MWO remains a superior game.

Haha. Hello there again.

Anyways, from my experience, Tier 5 and 4 were a blessing to play in. People didn't nascar and LRMs were rare. But the higher in tiers I went the worse the players would get. More and more nascar, more and more complete lrm spam, more assault lrm boats, more stupid behavior and stupid plays. Where I had so much fun in Tier 5 and 4 because of how comfortable and not frustrating the matches were, in tiers 1-3 it would only get worse and worse, dumber and more annoying. Things you get to see in "higher skill" tiers... Luckily Tier 1 is a bit more stable than 3 and 2 so I'm glad I can't move from there.

[Astrocanis]

Sometimes I wonder if games wouldn't be better if they eliminated tiers and just randomly jammed people into groups.

[edit] On second thought, the salty [Redacted] would just drive new players away.

Edited by draiocht, 19 November 2018 - 07:32 PM.
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[Toothless]

Astrocanis, on 17 November 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Sometimes I wonder if games wouldn't be better if they eliminated tiers and just randomly jammed people into groups.

[edit] On second thought, the salty [Redacted] would just drive new players away.

Thats literally what happens right now.

Edited by draiocht, 19 November 2018 - 07:33 PM.
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[RickySpanish]

During the event last season I went on a ~20 match losing streak, I started capping games and looking at 'Mech choices and surmised that I had very little chance of carrying any of the games. So I bought a Piranha for all those evenings where the MM surrounds both teams with imbeciles.

[crazytimes]

I miss the lower tiers already. I was hovering low 3 for a while. I got the Halloween Arctic Wolf, made a fun build, had an exceptional winning streak and somehow ended up tier 2.

I do not belong. I have 12 mechs, only 1 of which is a meta build of any sort. I am terrible in assaults and don't want to burden the team. Everything else I am going to have to shift towards less fun builds because they just don't work well. A lot more games have extreme levels of salt, it like being back in World of Tanks sometimes. The worst part is... my tier bar keeps grinding up. Once I've skill ground my most recent mechs, another couple of hundred games and it looks like I'll be stuck in tier 1, woefully underskilled and with a rather bare garage.

Game is for now still fun, but unless I get a lot better soon, the skill differential is going to encourage me to move on I think. I kind if understand some of the salt because I figure I'm not the only one who has ended up overtiered and under skilled.

[Captain Polux]

Tier 1 stinks. Tier 3 was more fun.

[Acersecomic]

- World Eater -, on 17 November 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

Tier 1 stinks. Tier 3 was more fun.

I had the worst time in Tier 3. Biggest losing streaks and assortment of losers and jcjdisgaihcuczchsbsja. I accept fault where it is mine but this was just... you can't be at fault every match. You are just 1 in 12 players on the team and you can't stop nascars, suiciders etc.

[Captain Polux]

Acersecomic, on 17 November 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I had the worst time in Tier 3. Biggest losing streaks and assortment of losers and jcjdisgaihcuczchsbsja. I accept fault where it is mine but this was just... you can't be at fault every match. You are just 1 in 12 players on the team and you can't stop nascars, suiciders etc.

it's the exact same in tier 1 which stinks

[Bombast]

Astrocanis, on 17 November 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Sometimes I wonder if games wouldn't be better if they eliminated tiers and just randomly jammed people into groups.

[edit] On second thought, the salty [Redacted] would just drive new players away.

5 or 6 months ago the match maker entirely collapsed and this happened. It was ***terrible***.

Edited by draiocht, 19 November 2018 - 07:50 PM.
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[lobsterhierarchy]

Acersecomic, on 17 November 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I had the worst time in Tier 3. Biggest losing streaks and assortment of losers and jcjdisgaihcuczchsbsja. I accept fault where it is mine but this was just... you can't be at fault every match. You are just 1 in 12 players on the team and you can't stop nascars, suiciders etc.

I’m in tier 3 and I can tell you for a fact that the games go from having overly good players that stomp the enemy to having pure potato on your team. Dudes are still using armlock and I’ve seen much to my own shame, people using the WASD keys to aim their reticle :facepalm:

I had an enemy dude show up in the loyalty javelin on HPG, stand stock still on the hill, and let me full Alpha with a laser hopper at optimal range. Dude died in the first minute of the game by just trying to face tank with a light.

I will never claim to be the best player, but some of the crap I see makes me wonder if MWO is a medical tool to establish the intelligence bell curve.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Do you guys have each other in the Friend's List? Have you tried forming a group and deploying into QP? Does it take too long to find a match? I've almost given up on Group QP deployments and I'm just over a week old T4 newbie.

[Acersecomic]

FRAGTAST1C, on 17 November 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

Do you guys have each other in the Friend's List? Have you tried forming a group and deploying into QP? Does it take too long to find a match? I've almost given up on Group QP deployments and I'm just over a week old T4 newbie.

Not friendliated with any of these but I have a few ib the game and I tried group drops. It absolutely sucks. It sometimes takes long even as a solo player, but groups are just total waste of time.

[Phoenix 72]

Well, OP, I can understand where you are coming from. I was planning to try something out and made an alt account myself. I got him my favourite medium mech and tried to see how it does in T5. I was planning to look at the differences between T2 (this char) and T5.

It took me some time to get used to T5 again, because the strategies used by people are completely different. When I was in T5 with this character, lurms were everywhere. Now, they are really rare. A lot more disconnects in T5. A lot less people on chat and/or listening to attempts to coordinate.

It was frustrating at times, but a different kind of frustration than the T2 games. In T5 people seem to be timid beyond reason. There will be no pushing. Even if you are 4:0, they will continue trying to play hide and seek, instead of finishing the game with a push. The games take a lot longer. It's not bad, though, because the matches are more fun, for some reason. They are chaotic and messy, but in a good way. I have yet to see any Nascar. And a lot less toxicity. I see comments about potato teams a lot in T2, but not at all in T5.

So the vibe is different. You still see some boneheaded moves, but then, you see that in T1-2, too. Just different boneheaded moves.

I for one am enjoying my time on the alt. I just keep purchasing my favourite Mechs, without bothering with the stinkers I collected on this account. T5 is not worse than T1-2. It is just different.

[Dee Eight]

Supposedly... the elo system of solaris is going to make its way to the quick mode. Maybe they'll announce when that'll be at mechcon. What will then happen is they can probably either dispense with the group system, or at least drop it to a 8x8 format, since once enough people do enough matches, they'll be match making with other similar elo ratings, same as happens in Solaris should there be enough players in a particular division queue at the same time waiting for a match.

So instead of a 12v12 match being based on the idiocy of a psr tier system where every has been, hack, troll, and terribad eventually makes it to Tier 1, and even opening the flood gates to allow other tiers in with them so matches actually happen... and you've no guarantee that all the good players won't end up on one team, and the bads on the other... with an elo that updates every hour (as happens in Solaris)... people who CAN aim and know how to play properly will get put in matches with others in the same situation, and people who couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower... will be matched with others like them.

[Appogee]

This is the logical consequence of the PSR system, which is inherently biased towards progressing players up the skill ranks regardless of their actual skill.

PGI must realise this. I mean, it's mathematically obvious in the way they designed it.

So I believe PGI took a cold commercial design decision that they prefer new players to feel like they are constantly 'progressing', instead of long-term customers having good matches.

That's PGI in a nutshell. Profit before players, every time.

Edited by Appogee, 18 November 2018 - 03:28 AM.

[x Deathstrike x]

T5 is best as a smurf. I was in there for one game and in T4 for two games.
T3 was still fun for 100 games or so...
Oh the good times as a smurf

Edited by x Deathstrike x, 18 November 2018 - 03:30 AM.

[Dogstar]

There's definitely a problem when the game is less fun the more you play it. Personally I've found that hitting tier 2 has been a complete nightmare. Instead of occasional nascar it's total nascar all the time and that's just not good. AT ALL.

Edited by Dogstar, 18 November 2018 - 04:09 AM.

[Acersecomic]

Dee Eight, on 18 November 2018 - 02:50 AM, said:

Supposedly... the elo system of solaris is going to make its way to the quick mode. Maybe they'll announce when that'll be at mechcon. What will then happen is they can probably either dispense with the group system, or at least drop it to a 8x8 format, since once enough people do enough matches, they'll be match making with other similar elo ratings, same as happens in Solaris should there be enough players in a particular division queue at the same time waiting for a match.

So instead of a 12v12 match being based on the idiocy of a psr tier system where every has been, hack, troll, and terribad eventually makes it to Tier 1, and even opening the flood gates to allow other tiers in with them so matches actually happen... and you've no guarantee that all the good players won't end up on one team, and the bads on the other... with an elo that updates every hour (as happens in Solaris)... people who CAN aim and know how to play properly will get put in matches with others in the same situation, and people who couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag with a flamethrower... will be matched with others like them.

There is not enough players in this game for any skill based MM. It takes it over a minute to even find a mixed match and you'll often see same players over and over again every day over the course of months and months.