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[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

I am sure all of you are aware of players who consistently play with high pings such as myself and how seemingly sometimes our damage is higher than our ping at times and you wonder how is this possible.

Well unlike most players we have to lead the target significantly farther than you would with high speed internet. Ive become so used to 600-1000+ ping at certain intervals of the day that I can calculate exactly how far to lead a target based on my current ping which is why I am continuously checking ping.

This short video will show me leading a target slightly before I am killed, recklessly charging a no mans land. I was just fooling around at the time and didnt really care.

[S O L A I S]

Gee that's great.

The problem is though that 600+ ping is not really reasonable to play this kind of game with the current engine and such. PGI should enforce a minimum ping to ensure the playing experience for all involved is not effected. But since they don't seem to have a problem with folks firing up systems with considerably less than the recommended minimum specs, I am sure they could care less about this nonsense either.

[The pessimistic optimist]

I would say clan mech tag and ATM's:P maybe a few pulse lasers:P

[Dee Eight]

Enjoy your PGI coded lag shield.

[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

S O L A I S, on 27 November 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

Gee that's great.

The problem is though that 600+ ping is not really reasonable to play this kind of game with the current engine and such. PGI should enforce a minimum ping to ensure the playing experience for all involved is not effected. But since they don't seem to have a problem with folks firing up systems with considerably less than the recommended minimum specs, I am sure they could care less about this nonsense either.

You seemed to have missed my point. This post was to enlighten elitest players just like yourself who I have to deal with constantly ingame explaining to them my 600+ ping is normal and I do just fine. Infact Id go even farther to say that my skill level if I had instant responces would be far above many other players. But limited to my horrible lag.
Also I use daka builds mostly, when my ping reaches 1500+ ping I either dont play, or I just use LRM builds till peak time is over.

[UnofficialOperator]

Powder Puff Pew Pew, on 27 November 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

You seemed to have missed my point. This post was to enlighten elitest players just like yourself who I have to deal with constantly ingame explaining to them my 600+ ping is normal and I do just fine. Infact Id go even farther to say that my skill level if I had instant responces would be far above many other players. But limited to my horrible lag.
Also I use daka builds mostly, when my ping reaches 1500+ ping I either dont play, or I just use LRM builds till peak time is over.

[Appogee]

S O L A I S, on 27 November 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

though that 600+ ping is not really reasonable to play this kind of game with the current engine and such. PGI should enforce a minimum ping to ensure the playing experience for all involved is not effected.

How much ping is too much ping, in your view?

Ie. what should the clip level be, above which players are not permitted to play?

[Shadowomega1]

Got a feeling he isn't from the States, if he is then he is in an area that still only has 56k. As what I have use to be called high speed back in 2003, and the only faster speed connection is if I switch over to crookcast, no it isn't even their xfinity plan.

Appogee, on 27 November 2018 - 06:03 PM, said:

How much ping is too much ping, in your view?

Ie. what should the clip level be, above which players are not permitted to play?

In any action based game anything over 1k ms ping is unplayable as response time is at 1 second or more delay. 500ms can be tolerable but not recommended due to human reaction time varies between 150 to 500 ms for visual and audible stimulation. (150 to 250 ms is pro level reaction time 300-400 ms is average, 401 - 500ms is below average response times)

Edited by Shadowomega1, 27 November 2018 - 06:17 PM.

[S O L A I S]

Powder Puff Pew Pew, on 27 November 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

You seemed to have missed my point. This post was to enlighten elitest players just like yourself who I have to deal with constantly ingame explaining to them my 600+ ping is normal and I do just fine. Infact Id go even farther to say that my skill level if I had instant responces would be far above many other players. But limited to my horrible lag.
Also I use daka builds mostly, when my ping reaches 1500+ ping I either dont play, or I just use LRM builds till peak time is over.

No you are completely missing the point and you interpret it misguidedly as elitist which really has lost it's meaning due to current trends and over usage.

1500+ is not reasonable and luckily there are very few people who would try and play the game this way. A player with integrated graphics getting 7 frames per second or a player with terrible internet getting 1500+ ping are negatively effecting matches they are in, no matter how great you think you are for overcoming this huge handicap. It also is hard to shoot someone with that silly high of a ping.

Now clearly there are some extremely selfish players who want to play regardless of whether or not conditions/equipment allow for it and will do so regardless. You seem to be one of these players, and it really is unfortunate that PGI doesn't enforce some very basic and simple minimums.

[S O L A I S]

Appogee, on 27 November 2018 - 06:03 PM, said:

How much ping is too much ping, in your view?

Ie. what should the clip level be, above which players are not permitted to play?

I am not entirely sure but I play with aussies who seem to be fine in the 2-300s.

The high hundreds low thousand however is not reasonable and like I said to the OP luckily there are few people around who would try and play with such high ping.

[Monkey Lover]

S O L A I S, on 27 November 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

Gee that's great.

The problem is though that 600+ ping is not really reasonable to play this kind of game with the current engine and such. PGI should enforce a minimum ping to ensure the playing experience for all involved is not effected. But since they don't seem to have a problem with folks firing up systems with considerably less than the recommended minimum specs, I am sure they could care less about this nonsense either.

I said this years ago and got pages of hate for it lol. Biggest issue is when the 1k ping people jump into a light. 1k ping still works for people running slow assaults. I would support limiting playes based on mech speed and ping.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 27 November 2018 - 07:20 PM.

[Bud Crue]

[redacted] your high ping but I still do OK BS and you people who think players with inordinate have some sort of "lag shield" advantage .

I live in farm country, and normally my PING is reasonable (less than 300). But occasionally, like this evening it gets up to 3000. When that occurs, it sucks. No "oh boy I have a lag shield" but rather, "hey why is the target I have put 6 alphas into still standing and why are all the other mechs break dancing, oh that's right, I am 3 seconds behind what is actually happening in match, ah, there it is, I'm dead".

High PING sucks. Full stop.

[Anomalocaris]

The problem is that sometimes you can't tell when high ping is just an internet issue or when someone is using lag shield. I won't say anymore so that the thread doesn't get closed. But for some people high ping, on command, is deliberate.

That said, anything over 500 ping (consistently, not spikes) and you really shouldn't be playing. It makes the game wonky for you and the people you're playing against.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Anything in the region of 600 ping will create a game where you see yourself and other mechs around you locked to a spot with looping animation from time to time. I don't see how that's something to cherish.

[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

UnofficialOperator, on 27 November 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Oh trust me, ive tried getting high speed internet here. But would you pay $500,000-$600,000 for a cable line to your house just to play MWO? Um no.

I DID have money back when the gold mechs came out, but not anymore. And using my stats, when Ive never been competitive, isnt really fair.

[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

Bud Crue, on 27 November 2018 - 07:20 PM, said:

F U and your high ping but I still do OK BS and you people who think players with inordinate have some sort of "lag shield" advantage .

I live in farm country, and normally my PING is reasonable (less than 300). But occasionally, like this evening it gets up to 3000. When that occurs, it sucks. No "oh boy I have a lag shield" but rather, "hey why is the target I have put 6 alphas into still standing and why are all the other mechs break dancing, oh that's right, I am 3 seconds behind what is actually happening in match, ah, there it is, I'm dead".

High PING sucks. Full stop.

Rude, I live in mid western PA, out in farm country also, but I have to use "SATALITE INTERNET" unlike you, who probably has a direct line to your house which I would literally give anything I had for.

Theres nothing I can do about my internet situation unless Verizon or Comcast is sued out the a$$ for $billions for illegal scams, and limiting and baiting customers for shady business practices theyve done over the yrs. But I dont see that happening.

[UnofficialOperator]

Powder Puff Pew Pew, on 27 November 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

Oh trust me, ive tried getting high speed internet here. But would you pay $500,000-$600,000 for a cable line to your house just to play MWO? Um no.

New Zealand or Antarctica?

[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

UnofficialOperator, on 27 November 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

New Zealand or Antarctica?

Powder Puff Pew Pew, on 27 November 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

I live in mid western PA, out in farm country also, but I have to use "SATALITE INTERNET"

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Do you get cell service? I get 120-140 ping Hotspotting off my cell in Talkeetna, Alaska. Find it hard to believe western PA has worse cell service than here.

[Jackal Noble]

600 ping? pssshhhh that's nothing. I get thrown off when I see a player bounce between 50- 6000 ping. I subsequently get thoroughly annoyed spectating.