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[THOR HAMMER]

So how will PGI pull this one off ?. Here is a Quote from the official description of the Warhammer IIc from Sarna ( Nearly Double the armor of the original Warhammer ) ?.That is a lot of Armor! more than the Awesome!, we are talking about at least +20 armor to the center torso and +15 to the side torsos +10 to arms or more if they follow the cannon ?. PGI should change the Pre order page title from Superior firepower to Superior Armor! ?.

Here is the link.
http://www.sarna.net...i/Warhammer_IIC

Edited by THOR HAMMER, 11 December 2018 - 02:55 AM.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Guess what, original warhammer is underarmored. Stock loadout tells me there's 34/44/34 armor for torso.

Doubling it gives us 68/88/68.

[CycKath]

Sort of. TRO fluff and TT stats often differ, PGI stats actually match TT stats once you factor in the armor value doubling.

https://mwomercs.com/warhammer - 320 standard armor
https://mwomercs.com/warhammeriic - 460 FF armor

Edited by CycKath, 11 December 2018 - 03:09 AM.

[El Bandito]

Warhammer-IIC's "superior" armor wont be a factor in most cases since players can modify the armor amount. Only place where it will matter is in stock mech mode.

[Grus]

Its still made of paper because clan mech.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

El Bandito, on 11 December 2018 - 03:43 AM, said:

Warhammer-IIC's "superior" armor wont be a factor in most cases since players can modify the armor amount. Only place where it will matter is in stock mech mode.

Well during the 2018 MechCon Championships, apparently nobody used a single stock Clan Mech because that's how bad they perform...

So providing even one stock Clan Mech that's good enough to be chosen to compete in the 2019 Championships, would be a first.

[Brauer]

Humble Dexter, on 11 December 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

Well during the 2018 MechCon Championships, apparently nobody used a single stock Clan Mech because that's how bad they perform...

So providing even one stock Clan Mech that's good enough to be chosen to compete in the 2019 Championships, would be a first.

This year no clan mechs were eligible. It wasn't just stock mode it was 3025 era stock mode (aka IS only). I am not very familiar with clan stock builds, but I would be astonished if none would be chosen in a stock tourney that included them. IS stock builds are generally also terrible. Stock clan builds often have dhs and endo or Ferro, plus lighter weapons, so with that alone you have a good chance of getting more firepower and better cooling than the IS mechs. If nothing else the quad cerppc Warhawk is available (plus a lrm 10!) So that alone would have been quite a long range force against the mechs that did see action. The Nova Cat B would likely be worth a look for stock mode compared to the lrm boats that did see action. And that's off the top of my head, there may be much better stock clan mechs.

[FupDup]

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Edited by draiocht, 12 December 2018 - 04:17 PM.
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[Smutty]

The OG Warhammer 6R has a whopping 10 tons of armour. Pretty measly for a 70-ton direct-fire Mech. The Warhammer IIC gets mad Clantech weight savings and as such mounts what, 16.5? Not really double but certainly far more than its IS counterpart. Sarna tends to over or underinflate the fluff, such as claiming the 6R is "well-protected"

Expect no armour quirks for the Whammy IIC. Would be nice, but it's both Clan and a Battlemech to boot, so y'know, already pretty good

[Bombast]

The Mayor of Smuttington, on 11 December 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

Sarna tends to over or underinflate the fluff, such as claiming the 6R is "well-protected"

Sarna just parrots TROs.

[CycKath]

Bombast, on 11 December 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

Sarna just parrots TROs.

True, but Sarna tries to avoid copy paste though, and paraphrasing can sometimes make things unclear.

That said TROs claiming one thing that is not reflected in stats is very common issue.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

Brauer, on 11 December 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

It wasn't just stock mode it was 3025 era stock mode (aka IS only).

Thank you for the answer.

Also someone call for a troll exterminator : We're infested !

[Cabusha]

This has got to be professional trolling here. If you're on Sarna, then you should know the stock IS Warhammer has crap for armor. Even in MWO it's crap when you first buy it.

Same thing with the Marauder and MAD-IIC. Stock armor values don't matter because everyone up armors. Unless your doing stock-only runs, in which case, you should already know what you're getting into.

I mean, seriously. This topic is dumb.

[TELEFORCE]

The Warhammer 6R was well-armored compared to its contemporaries. Being well-armored also may refer to its distribution. I liked taking the Warhammer over the Marauder 3D or 3R in tabletop just because it had way more leg armor.

[Pariah Devalis]

The Warhammer (and the Clan-tech Body Double Hellbringer) were both designed to be offensively powerful for their tonnage, but defensively flawed. Unlike the Hellbringer (which was a horribly intentional design flaw by FASA, easily fixed by giving it Endo and Ferro), the Warhammer was a straight trade due to IS tech limitations. To get that sort of "assault mech" firepower, it had to sacrifice durability. The entire concept behind the Warhammer was to kill a target before the enemy had much of an opportunity to kill you first.

The Warhammer IIC, however, did not have the same sort of limitations that the original had. Not only did it have more tonnage to play with, but Clan tech, meaning it could retain a heavy payload while still having free tonnage for appropriate armor protection.

[InvictusLee]

So does the armor = a solid mechpack buy?

[Koniving]

THOR HAMMER, on 11 December 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

So how will PGI pull this one off ?. Here is a Quote from the official description of the Warhammer IIc from Sarna ( Nearly Double the armor of the original Warhammer ) ?.That is a lot of Armor! more than the Awesome!, we are talking about at least +20 armor to the center torso and +15 to the side torsos +10 to arms or more if they follow the cannon ?. PGI should change the Pre order page title from Superior firepower to Superior Armor! ?.

Here is the link.
http://www.sarna.net...i/Warhammer_IIC

One thing to note, is that if the stock truly influences how PGI does quirks...

We'd need Dragons that have more armor than MWO's Stalkers can carry... as at stock, Dragons have more armor than many heavies and a large number of assaults, including some variants of 80 and 85 ton mechs.

We'd have Hunchbacks and Catapults with equal armor, though some variants of Catapult would even have inferior armor.

And Urbanmechs with identical armor to Jagermechs...because that was a thing.

You'd also have the Awesome outarmoring every heavy in existence in addition to most assault mechs.

And then when they finally add my Behemoth...

no, not the mech, the Tank...
Then not only will I have more armor than any 100 ton mech... I'll have more armor than anything in MWO.
...and a pair of ballistic hardpoints and four missile hardpoints.

(Seriously, I love this tank. Nothing else I've used has almost single-handedly taken out so many mechs before. The record's 1 assault and 7 out of 8 mediums killed or disabled in 40 seconds.)