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[FRAGTAST1C]

HBR-F(C)

I was poking around the mechlab trying different loadouts with laser vomit in mind. I came up with that. 70 potential damage followed by crit seeking poke. Who doesn't think it's scary?

[Alcom Isst]

So a squishy Hellbringer just overexposed within 300 meters to unleash a 70-point alpha and is continuing to expose as it tries to farm crits using a pair of light machine guns... hellbringer's dead lol.

[N0ni]

Not really any synergy in that build (sure the damage from the Heavy Mediums are great, but don't really sync up well with Heavy Larges as well as the regular cERMLs do range-wise.) Also, MGs don't really become super useful until you have 3 or more.

C-Bill piñata.

[Ruccus]

It's potent in the right circumstances but in the immortal words of Chubby Checker: "Come on baby, let's do the twist..."

There is about a second and a half of twisting to spread the damage among the arms, CT, and side torsos then around five an a half seconds to return fire and get out of the line of fire. When you get into the higher tiers you'll likely face more opponents who can better spread incoming damage by twisting to show parts of their mech intended to catch incoming damage, or just spread the damage to multiple components to reduce the effectiveness of an alpha strike.

To use an example, I could be piloting something like this Bounty Hunter II which only has a 40 point alpha strike but in an engagement with a Heavy Laser Vomit mech it works well. It has a 'dead side' that is used to catch the incoming damage while protecting the weapons for the late game.

If both mechs fire at each other the Marauder will do 40 damage to likely one component then torso twist to spread the Hellbringer's damage between the CT, left torso, and left arm. In 4 seconds it can fire again for 80 damage total (hopefully on the same component as the first hit) and still have 3 seconds to get out of the line of fire of a second laser vomit.

If you can get into a spot where you can unleash an alpha without being noticed you can do some serious damage, but there are exploitable weaknesses in that build. Swapping out the Heavy Mediums with ER Mediums would increase your optimum range to 400m and reduce the huge 7 second cycle time of the weapons.

[Curccu]

FRAGTAST1C, on 19 December 2018 - 12:31 AM, said:

HBR-F(C)

I was poking around the mechlab trying different loadouts with laser vomit in mind. I came up with that. 70 potential damage followed by crit seeking poke. Who doesn't think it's scary?

HBR-F(C) HLL ERML I would run it with ERML not HML. Not sure if it works with current heatcap thou, haven't really played heavy vomit mechs in a while.

[LordNothing]

hint, those lasers actually have to hit the target, and stay on the target, until they finish burning. once you got that down pat, switch to hll and erml, and loose the machine guns. you will then have what it takes to get to t1.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 December 2018 - 03:53 AM.

[Daggett]

I too prefer the ERML over HML because of their range and much better hardpoints (The arms are too low). I also think that only two MGs are not worth the tonnage investment, especially not on those low Hellbringer arms.

I'd rather prefer to maximize the DPS of my main weapons with additional DHS. It also makes a HUGE difference if you can hillpeek with the classic HLL+ERML combo or if you are forced to expose your whole mech to bring your firepower on target.

Edited by Daggett, 19 December 2018 - 05:44 AM.

[Captain Polux]

That's a lot of rear armor.

[Shanrak]

Less face time when peeking, more dps oriented: https://mech.nav-alp...#a35650c1_HBR-F

Can alpha 3 times without overheating, also single arm laser is good for UAV killing.

[Daurock]

If I'm in the mood for a non-traditional hellbringer build, I'm probably going with SRMs and lasers. Something like this. It hits like a truck, and still can sustain over 10 DPS, which not too many builds can accomplish. Usually though, i just roll with the vanilla 4xERML, 2xHLL vomit.

Edited by Daurock, 19 December 2018 - 05:58 AM.

[El Bandito]

Ruccus, on 19 December 2018 - 01:50 AM, said:

To use an example, I could be piloting something like this Bounty Hunter II which only has a 40 point alpha strike but in an engagement with a Heavy Laser Vomit mech it works well. It has a 'dead side' that is used to catch the incoming damage while protecting the weapons for the late game.

That build is not as good as before post ST destruction change. You are gonna have even more heat issue once the dead side is gone.

[Vxheous]

FRAGTAST1C, on 19 December 2018 - 12:31 AM, said:

HBR-F(C)

I was poking around the mechlab trying different loadouts with laser vomit in mind. I came up with that. 70 potential damage followed by crit seeking poke. Who doesn't think it's scary?

That alpha looks so good on paper, until you find out that you can get exactly 2 of those alphas off in basically brawl range before your hellbringer gets torn apart.

[The pessimistic optimist]

FRAGTAST1C, on 19 December 2018 - 12:31 AM, said:

HBR-F(C)

I was poking around the mechlab trying different loadouts with laser vomit in mind. I came up with that. 70 potential damage followed by crit seeking poke. Who doesn't think it's scary?

BL-6-KNT
Better weapon synergy,better DPS in optimal range,shorter burn times on laser for more accuracy,good management and double AMS too boot. Heavy's do a lot of damage but there burn time it so long you miss a lot of damage and shots because of it. Just the other day I picked off a light that was not that damaged trying to jump down of the top on HPG to go below. I hit them midair with my alpha in back and killed them. If I had bin using heavys the burn would have bin too long. Clan pulse laser make better vomit.

Edited by SirSmokes, 19 December 2018 - 07:50 AM.

[HenryFA]

4erml 2 LPL, ecm

[The pessimistic optimist]

HenryFA, on 19 December 2018 - 08:08 AM, said:

4erml 2 LPL, ecm

Yup still say CLPL are best energy weapons in the game.

[Kubernetes]

Don't put MGs on a poke mech. Weapons dictate your play, and with MGs you'll be way too tempted to stare down enemies. That's bad. Don't even give your impulsive side that opportunity.

[justcallme A S H]

SirSmokes, on 19 December 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

BL-6-KNT
Better weapon synergy.

How has that got better synergy when you are using LL and ML who's ranges are some 250-300m different... Just like the OP HLL/HML build have totally differing ranges?

The build you have posted has no more 'synergy' than the OP. Actual synergy would be using ERML which shares a similar range and burn time is very close to LL.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 19 December 2018 - 02:01 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

justcallme A S H, on 19 December 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

How has that got better synergy when you are using LL and ML who's ranges are some 250-300m different... Just like the OP HLL/HML build have totally differing ranges?

The build you have posted has no more 'synergy' than the OP. Actual synergy would be using ERML which shares a similar range and burn time is very close to LL.

Not range synergy cooldown synergy. Because shorter burn time std meds and shorter cooldown on std large they sync up perfectly. When I do my alpha I want all my laser firing at same time its how you get good pinpoint damage. I can get two pin point alpha's with out shutting down that are synced up. I am betting there no way he getting two synced yup alpha's out of that with out shutting down.

Edited by SirSmokes, 19 December 2018 - 02:28 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

If I'm going to run a brawl range HBR, a push mech, I'd just run a simple 6x cMPL build. I mean at least you're not going to overheat in this thing and can continuously pump out damage.

OP, look at the stats on your build when in MechDB. What's the point when you can literally fire once, and you are at ~270M? The opponent will eat your 70 then rip you apart.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 19 December 2018 - 03:15 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

SirSmokes, on 19 December 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

Not range synergy cooldown synergy. Because shorter burn time std meds and shorter cooldown on std large they sync up perfectly. When I do my alpha I want all my laser firing at same time its how you get good pinpoint damage. I can get two pin point alpha's with out shutting down that are synced up. I am betting there no way he getting two synced yup alpha's out of that with out shutting down.

Quite literally - cooldown synergy is the least important attribute to be concerning yourself with when building a mech and loadout.

To not know this shows a fairly sizeable lack of understanding of MWO, it's Mechlab and what is actually important vs what is not. And before the invitable attempt to justify bad advice comes in... Cooldown does not matter because:

• You do not move out of cover until all cooldowns are reset
  
• If in a brawl you continue shielding until cooldowns are reset while absorbing damage.

Most of my builds the cooldowns are rarely the same. Duration also doesn't mean that much if you can hold a laser burn. If you can hold LL for 0.9s then you can hold HLL for 1.5s. If you can't hold one then you can't hold the other.


If I had a choice between the two bad builds (and make no mistake, neither is optimised)... I'd take the HBR over the BLKNT. The HLL does more damage per tick than any other weapon in the game so if the BLK stares @ the HBR in a "trade stare war" before twisting the HBR has still done more damage.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 19 December 2018 - 05:08 PM.