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[Alcom Isst]

Remember in the October Patch when PGI rolled out a bunch of armor nerfs to the Annie, Fafnir, Sleepnir, and Bushwacker?

Well from the October Quirk Documentation PDF they were going to nerf the High Roller.



And well... they didn't.



Oops?

[FupDup]

There are actually a lot of hero mechs with stronger armor and/or structure quirks than the corresponding C-Bill variants. I don't think it's a coincidence.

[HammerMaster]

Alcom Isst, on 20 January 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

Remember in the October Patch when PGI rolled out a bunch of armor nerfs to the Annie, Fafnir, Sleepnir, and Bushwacker?

Well from the October Quirk Documentation PDF they were going to nerf the High Roller.



And well... they didn't.



Oops?

Umm.
Thanks?

[Jay Leon Hart]

If +4 armour is P2W now, then I think P2W needs to be buffed... a lot...

[justcallme A S H]

Well according to one of the apparent experts around here the BSW isn't a good mech?

Now you say its P2W???

Koniving, on 13 January 2019 - 08:22 AM, said:

My first time using it, I got legged from a guy aiming seemingly at my cockpit-level (eye level).
Another time I got legged from across the map within the first minute of gameplay.

But no one seems to acknowledge "Dem legs, yo."

[Jackal Noble]

The similarly built BSW-P2 has 2 energy CT points vs the High Roller's 1. That's differentiation enough to justify it's hp inflation.

[Jackal Noble]

Also, not the first time this has been observed. There are like 300+ mechs in the game

[FupDup]

Jackal Noble, on 20 January 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

The similarly built BSW-P2 has 2 energy CT points vs the High Roller's 1. That's differentiation enough to justify it's hp inflation.

Both variants have 8 weapon hardpoints in total, although it can be argued that the Roller's hardpoint layout is less optimal and thus probably not P2W despite the armor advantage.

Still, all variants have had equal durability right up until the patch that nerfed the C-Bill variants but for some reason excluded the Roller. My tinfoil hat is firmly secured to my head so my conspiracy theory is that they decided to make an exception for the HR in order to incentivize purchases of the mech (since the hardpoints are so-so).

Otherwise they just genuinely forgot to include that variant in the global Bushwacker nerfs. But I like my conspiracy theory better.

Edited by FupDup, 20 January 2019 - 04:17 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Hmmm so what are you doing with all that free MC PGI keeps giving you for events? So are they paying you to win now? or basically giving you the MC to buy Hero Mechs? need a pacifier do ya?

[Composite Armour]

They should roll back the nerf anyways, it was silly.

[Cabusha]

Go look at the Wang vs all other Centurion variants. It has far better mobility quirks than the rest of the line (although the AH was a close second, IIRC). Admittedly, it has the fewest hard points of the bunch, buuut it's also the only one that still feels like the Centurions felt during closed beta. The other variants feel downright glacial because of their reduced stats. Which is a bummer because I used to love the other variants.

I'm not saying the Wang should be nerfd, cause I love the thing and it's the only one that still kind of holds its own. But the mobility by far makes it the best variant for me to play. Coincidentally, it's the one behind the paywall.

[Antares102]

Lol, OP calling a mech P2W because of a little bit too much armor.
You dont have any other problems do you?

I would rather call the IV4 with MRM80 (+20% missile cooldown) P2W.

Edited by Antares102, 20 January 2019 - 05:35 PM.

[Davegt27]

PGI knows what they are doing

if the stats warrant a nerf then they will nerf it
if not they won't

I have complete faith in PGI's ability to nerf stuff

note: I don't own a BSW-HR

Edited by Davegt27, 20 January 2019 - 05:37 PM.

[Koniving]

justcallme A S H, on 20 January 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

Well according to one of the apparent experts around here the BSW isn't a good mech?

Now you say its P2W???

I wasn't using High Roller. Don't know jack about it other than its ugly as ****.
I've only used the X1, and it was before it had even the +3 armor quirks to its legs that it has now.

[justcallme A S H]

Ye cause that +4 armour would have made all the difference to you, appanrently, getting legged regularly in it

[Koniving]

justcallme A S H, on 20 January 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

Ye cause that +4 armour would have made all the difference to you, appanrently, getting legged regularly in it

Legged in it twice out of 3 times using it is pretty high considering that in any other mech, the last time I got legged (which wasn't self-inflected by jumping) was 2014...

In other words its such a foreign experience, its like you being nice. It doesn't happen.

[Ilfi]

The High Roller has +12 armor spread over the torso, which is neat but nothing special. Meanwhile the X1 has an extra 1B in the torso, +10% to Ballistic Range and -10% to Energy Heat, while the X2 has major quirk bonuses to its engine performance.

Generally speaking, the only reason to use a High Roller over the X-series is because you value the C-Bills boost more than the better weapon layouts and bonuses.

Edited by Ilfi, 20 January 2019 - 07:20 PM.

[Bombast]

Koniving, on 20 January 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

Legged in it twice out of 3 times using it is pretty high considering that in any other mech, the last time I got legged (which wasn't self-inflected by jumping) was 2014...

In other words its such a foreign experience, its like you being nice. It doesn't happen.

A set of three is hardly enough to make a call on a flaw. You could have just gotten caught in a short loop with the same enemy mech who, knowing the Bushwacker has such a good torso lay out, just shot your legs.

Doesn't even need to be the same guy doing it, since this is common knowledge. For months people were bitching about the Buchwacker in scouting, and about how it beat out every other IS medium and doing everything. And the response from the pros was always the same - Shoot the legs. Not because they're weak, but because the torso is too good to waste time hitting.

Edited by Bombast, 20 January 2019 - 07:17 PM.

[Koniving]

Bombast, on 20 January 2019 - 07:17 PM, said:

A set of three is hardly enough to make a call on a flaw. You could have just gotten caught in a short loop with the same enemy mech who, knowing the Bushwacker has such a good torso lay out, just shot your legs.

Doesn't even need to be the same guy doing it, since this is common knowledge. For months people were bitching about the Buchwacker in scouting, and about how it beat out every other IS medium and doing everything. And the response from the pros was always the same - Shoot the legs. Not because they're weak, but because the torso is too good to waste time hitting.

Fair enough.

People did the exact same about Stormcrows.
The way it ran and bounced with the tiny tight hitboxes made any laser hit between 3 and 5 hitboxes when shooting at it from the side, and the solution was simply "Shoot the legs."

[razenWing]

Did someone really made a thread about high rollers being P2W???

Dood, the mech sucks balls.

It's by far one of the worst variant, if not heroes period. And you are complaining about... 4 hp?????? Really? like the amount a not perfectly aimed median laser can cover?

(If anything, they should buff the crap out of this garbage in the same way that people use that tank vindicator variant with similarly garbage hardpoints)

Edited by razenWing, 20 January 2019 - 07:45 PM.