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[InspectorG]

Prototelis, on 29 January 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

Here is the actual truth;

Look at your ******* mini map.

Aint gonna happen

[TheFourthAlly]

Tbh, within close range, that minimap isn't all that helpful to get an idea where your teammates are exactly, nor which way they are facing.

[GeminiWolf]

The6thMessenger, on 29 January 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

It's not what you think, I don't have beef with lights.

That being said, I recently had a match where a certain deadly-hammer-strikee -- a MPL Grinner shamed me for blocking him, in which I don't know what the **** happened. I did

He said "he should have legged me". He is THAT salty.



Well first off, we were on the top of Viridian Bog and we were side-peeking, I'm an 8-SRM6 Pakhet, my build without artemis, is designed to be used up in their faces. I was first, but him, with lasers, shot first and announced our presence.

Anyways, Blitzkrieg, we just smashed our way in, killed a 2x LRM20 + 2x LL Stalker, and a 2x C-AC5 + 2x C-AC-10 + LAMS Mad-Cat (yes, it wasn't UAC or LBX), I turned around and fired upon the Streak-Revenant (without killing it), I went down the slope and brawled with a Nova-Cat and an unwitting Jagermech.

We then circled our way back, and killed the streak dog, and I was there face to face with him, literally blocking each other's movements. After which we just chased this DK with 4x ML.

Just 2 left, and it was quite an uneventful epilogue, this certain guy called me out.

I scored about 1000 damage and 1 kills, he died and he did only 550 damage, and zero kills. I looked him up at the leaderboards, and he does have high KDA and WLR, perhaps he's angry about the Zero-Kills but 1 death?

**** man, people get bad games time to time, and places do get congested. I'm a brawl-Pakhet, the hell do you expect?

I don't think it's me blocking him either. He did mentioned that "he should have legged me". He's a mobile light, if i am behind him, is it really worth turning towards me, and taking the time to leg me? I'm fresh that time, he's in an MPL Grinner, that would take several volleys.

I think i was in front the entire time when I was brawling, blocking his shots. It's something you would expect when someone is brawling with others.

Sometimes you just have to say Phaket and move on... I love when people bring up that mech gives me a chance to use that line bwhahahaha.

[GeminiWolf]

justcallme A S H, on 29 January 2019 - 01:18 AM, said:

So basically you blocked a high skill player, he died, he got annoyed. And somehow all of this means you had to start a forum thread about it waffling on about it and attach a screenshot of your damage for no apparent reason?

Yawn.

What does waffling mean?

[The6thMessenger]

GeminiWolf, on 29 January 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

What does waffling mean?

Worth the google.

GeminiWolf, on 29 January 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

Sometimes you just have to say Phaket and move on... I love when people bring up that mech gives me a chance to use that line bwhahahaha.

People can build Pakhet differently, i've done 4x MPL + 4x SRM4, people trolled me with Narc + 7x LRM5. I don't understand that reference.

As to how it relate to the thread, I do think that I was blocking his shots than his retreats.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 January 2019 - 07:27 PM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

GeminiWolf, on 29 January 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

What does waffling mean?

Not even kidding but this is actually pretty on point.

[GeminiWolf]

The6thMessenger, on 29 January 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

Worth the google.



People can build Pakhet differently, i've done 4x MPL + 4x SRM4, people trolled me with Narc + 7x LRM5. I don't understand that reference.

As to how it relate to the thread, I do think that I was blocking his shots than his retreats.

I think you are not pronouncing the mech correctly, say it outloud "Fak it", then you will understand

[The6thMessenger]

GeminiWolf, on 29 January 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

I think you are not pronouncing the mech correctly, say it outloud "Fak it", then you will understand

Oh. Now i get it. Thanks.

Brawling is actually my strong-suit, so I actually really love the 8x SRM6 build on the pakhet. And it's fun to commit to a push.

PAKHET!

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 January 2019 - 07:31 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Xeno Phalcon, on 29 January 2019 - 07:28 PM, said:

Not even kidding but this is actually pretty on point.

Sooooo... A S H was saying that the OP drives a Waffle cart and sings a Waffle song?

[Xeno Phalcon]

GeminiWolf, on 29 January 2019 - 07:30 PM, said:

Sooooo... A S H was saying that the OP drives a Waffle cart and sings a Waffle song?

Well the important part was at the end, but the long and short of it is he equated 6th post with caroling door to door - singing just to be heard by someone.

Least im pretty sure thats what he was going for, different regions had different phrases that can get mashed up and misused in progressively weirder fashions.

[The6thMessenger]

Xeno Phalcon, on 29 January 2019 - 07:48 PM, said:

Well the important part was at the end, but the long and short of it is he equated 6th post with caroling door to door - singing just to be heard by someone.

Well, it's forum. People create threads just to converse.

[TheBossOfYou]

Prototelis, on 29 January 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

Here is the actual truth;

Look at your ******* mini map. Don't stand behind someone who is poking regardless of class. Don't follow less than 100 meters behind anyone who is getting ready to expose or poke.

I took off my minimap so I could fit in another .5 tons of LBX5 ammo

I don't even have an LBX5.

Fight me.

[GeminiWolf]

TheBossOfYou, on 29 January 2019 - 08:34 PM, said:

I took off my minimap so I could fit in another .5 tons of LBX5 ammo

I don't even have an LBX5.

Fight me.

HAHAHAHAHA!

[Prototelis]

The best part of this thread is the title.

"opportunistic light" lawl please. Do you want light pilots to just stand out in the open and take it?

[UnkerZ]

Curccu, on 29 January 2019 - 12:22 AM, said:

maybe you did BLOCK him from moving back to cover at some point dunno without video or he telling what he really meant.

Happens too often that you are poking around some corner and then you realize you cannot move back to cover after your shot and some "friendly" Atlas is parked behind you.

Well.. the light should have the eyes to see his rear esp when you're piloting a light. The light can maneuver, the heavy/assault cant - blocking heavier mechs mean blocking firepower - and a light's job is not firepower, esp on the front line. He just needs to be relegated to more useful duties, like *** protection or *** sticking the enemy. Either way, I won't mind throwing an 100 alpha into a light running through my sights next time.

What I cannot stand is being an assault and getting blocked by a light trying to 'help' me pop 4 medium lasers after I have taken a beating on the front line.

[Curccu]

UnkerZ, on 29 January 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well.. the light should have the eyes to see his rear esp when you're piloting a light. The light can maneuver, the heavy/assault cant - blocking heavier mechs mean blocking firepower - and a light's job is not firepower, esp on the front line. He just needs to be relegated to more useful duties, like *** protection or *** sticking the enemy. Either way, I won't mind throwing an 100 alpha into a light running through my sights next time.

What I cannot stand is being an assault and getting blocked by a light trying to 'help' me pop 4 medium lasers after I have taken a beating on the front line.

Hahah talking like a true "assault pilot".

[The6thMessenger]

Prototelis, on 29 January 2019 - 08:51 PM, said:

The best part of this thread is the title.

"opportunistic light" lawl please. Do you want light pilots to just stand out in the open and take it?

Actually, I kinda question that myself. Why on earth would lights overtake the assaults or other heavier mechs' opportunites cause they are less capable of repositioning? Wouldn't it make better sense that they would augment the peek of the heavier mechs when they can so that they would draw fire first? Or just reposition from the taken corner?

Also, If you really have followed my concern, I don't think that I have blocked his retreats, rather my mech is blocking his shots -- I am in the way of his laser beams, because I am after all in a brawling build, and I was all up on the enemy's face.

Hell, we were targetting these two witless assaults -- the Stalker with 2x LL + 2x LRM20 and that CAC Mad-Cat (Yes, not LBX or UAC), and so far that's the only time I was close to this Grinner, and should I actually blocked his retreat it's not like he'd be under fire. As demonstrated by the score screen, he did 550 damage, and that is later the game.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 January 2019 - 11:09 PM.

[Insignus]

The6thMessenger, on 29 January 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

It's not what you think, I don't have beef with lights.

That being said, I recently had a match where a certain deadly-hammer-strikee -- a MPL Grinner shamed me for blocking him, in which I don't know what the **** happened. I did

He said "he should have legged me". He is THAT salty.

I think i was in front the entire time when I was brawling, blocking his shots. It's something you would expect when someone is brawling with others.

This is a complex one. But you seem to be looking for some verdict here - as a 3M driver, I play in the light style but interface a lot with assaults, and spend a lot of time in rear areas watching teams interact (Hint, not my own). So I'll give you my take.

On the one hand, right of way is situational. If I'm in a situation/area that Assaults are operating in, I try to defer to them. These situations are generally weapons free, front towards enemy scenarios - long and mid range slugging fest.

In most other situations, especially flanking and side peeks, and in unobserved rear angle scenarios, Lights/Mediums have the right of way, because they are best able to create an advantage in those situations by virtue of speed. If you are an assault mech that finds themselves in that situation, you should defer to the light, because their awareness is generally better, but also, this is their bread and butter. This is where they earn their points. When I see an assault go off on their own and go for sniper shots from the side or worse, spend 6 minutes lugging it behind a hill, I shake my head and actively avoid supporting them, because it'll get me killed, and because encouraging that is just sabotaging my fellow medi-lights.

Finally, RE the deference question in those situations: I will trust the opinion of a light or medium as to fire/not fire over that of any assault or heavy primary.

On the other hand, if he is in a situation in which he is sharing a peeking space with an Assault, then one of two things has occurred:

Either you, as assault, are way far forward and thus doing something wrong, or he is operating near the front line for direct attack, in which case he is doing something wrong, as that is an inefficient zone for lights to be in unless its mop-up time.

As to the question of who revealed their presence: He has some justification here, as he had brought the appropriate weapon, MPLs are one of the least noticeable weapons in the game other than SPLs

Angel of Annihilation, on 29 January 2019 - 09:07 AM, said:

It is your job to support the heavier mech, not vice versa.

I regularly consult my match score, and I am nearly always in a light/medium mech.

I have never gotten the impression that I was at any point supporting a heavier mech. I have never ended a match and thought to myself "Wow, that assault really clinched that victory."

In fact, the numbers on the board usually render the opposite result.

So, in summary, I do not, as a medium, exist to support assault mechs, instead, I would counter with my own philosophy:

Assault mechs exist to provide distractions and armor damage so that I can run around and wreck the enemy from the rear and win the match.

By the same token, when I face a gaggle of assault mechs at the end of a match as the last man standing, I ignore my teammates assertions the the game is over because I'm trapped in a match with massive tonnage difference.

I am not trapped in the there with them.

They are trapped in there with me.

Edited by Insignus, 29 January 2019 - 11:25 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Insignus, on 29 January 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

This is a complex one. But you seem to be looking for some verdict here - as a 3M driver, I play in the light style but interface a lot with assaults, and spend a lot of time in rear areas watching teams interact (Hint, not my own). So I'll give you my take.

On the one hand, right of way is situational. If I'm in a situation/area that Assaults are operating in, I try to defer to them. These situations are generally weapons free, front towards enemy scenarios - long and mid range slugging fest.

In most other situations, especially flanking and side peeks, and in unobserved rear angle scenarios, Lights/Mediums have the right of way, because they are best able to create an advantage in those situations by virtue of speed. If you are an assault mech that finds themselves in that situation, you should defer to the light, because their awareness is generally better, but also, this is their bread and butter. This is where they earn their points. When I see an assault go off on their own and go for sniper shots from the side or worse, spend 6 minutes lugging it behind a hill, I shake my head and actively avoid supporting them, because it'll get me killed, and because encouraging that is just sabotaging my fellow medi-lights.

Finally, RE the deference question in those situations: I will trust the opinion of a light or medium as to fire/not fire over that of any assault or heavy primary.

On the other hand, if he is in a situation in which he is sharing a peeking space with an Assault, then one of two things has occurred:

Either you, as assault, are way far forward and thus doing something wrong, or he is operating near the front line for direct attack, in which case he is doing something wrong, as that is an inefficient zone for lights to be in unless its mop-up time.

As to the question of who revealed their presence: He has some justification here, as he had brought the appropriate weapon, MPLs are one of the least noticeable weapons in the game other than SPLs

I don't know what to tell you. I'm in an 8x SRM6 Pakhet.

As to the presence, I suppose lasers are less noticable, but I am wary of that because I notice that. I also commited to the brawl, since the two assaults were witless -- quite simply that was the point since I'm the brawler. I was supposed to be the meat-shield, and putting a large alpha on their back is a massive boon.

Perhaps it's a non-issue, sure i guess.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 January 2019 - 11:51 PM.

[Burning2nd]

justcallme A S H, on 29 January 2019 - 01:18 AM, said:

So basically you blocked a high skill player, he died, he got annoyed. And somehow all of this means you had to start a forum thread about it waffling on about it and attach a screenshot of your damage for no apparent reason?

Yawn.

sounds like something you would do...

lol and the rest of you... cant block something that moves 170