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[mrbash]

Hello Mechwarriors,

I am looking to get some advice on upgrading my hardware for playing MWO and am hoping some experts might give me a few suggestions.

I am trying to decide whether to upgrade my Video Card or CPU to play this game.

I current am running:

i7 4790K @ 4Ghz
GTX 780 SLI (SLI gives me nothing extra I know)
16 GB RAM (of some sort)
4x512GB SSD in RAID0

I am playing on a 1440 monitor with High everything and currently get around an average 40 FPS which is not terrible but it would be nice to get a solid 60. I play with VSync on.

I was wondering about upgrading the CPU/MB to a Ryzen 2600
or possibly upgrading the GPU to a GTX 1060.

Any suggestions about which would give me the most performance benefit for playing this game? Or perhaps there is no point upgrading either?

Thanks in advance

Edited by mrbash, 31 January 2019 - 02:02 PM.

[Vxheous]

Just to clarify, your processor is an i7 4760? That's a mobile i7. You're sure that it's not an i7 4790? If so, is it the K or non K version?

Edited by Vxheous, 31 January 2019 - 01:58 PM.

[mrbash]

Vxheous, on 31 January 2019 - 01:58 PM, said:

Just to clarify, your processor is an i7 4760? That's a mobile i7. You're sure that it's not an i7 4790? If so, is it the K or non K version?

Thanks for catching that. I just fixed my post. I am running a 4790K, not a 4760.

[Vxheous]

mrbash, on 31 January 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

Thanks for catching that. I just fixed my post. I am running a 4790K, not a 4760.

Ok, with that in mind, I would suggest the following: A new CPU cooler + GPU upgrade. With a new CPU cooler, overclock that 4790K to 4.6-4.8Ghz, + new GPU should give you 80-100fps. MWO is severely CPU limited (although at some point it won't make a difference). For instance, I run a i5 6600K @ 4.6Ghz + GTX 1070, and my fps at 1080p ranges between 100-140ish, with occasional dips to the low 70s with extreme lrming happening (or forest colony/solaris city). My friend just built a brand new computer with an i9 9900K @ stock + RTX 2080, his fps at 1080p is like 120-160ish.

Edit: Looking further into overclocking the 4790K, you're probably going to have to aim at getting at least a larger AIO (240-280mm+) to be able to get to those clock speeds).

CPU upgrade to a ryzen + gtx 780 probably won't get you the fps boost you're looking for.

Edited by Vxheous, 31 January 2019 - 02:23 PM.

[LordNothing]

i went from a 4790k to a 8086k and didnt notice much of a gain in mwo. i got a huge gain going from my old 750ti to a 1060. so go with the video card. the 4790k is a hard chip to replace because it was just such an awesome sweet spot.

my reason for upgrading mostly to improve workstation performance (which it did) and because i wanted to use m.2 drives to reduce cabling and get usb 3.1/type c. i was going to go with an 8700k but they ran out of stock at the last minute. the 8086k is just a higher binned version of the same marketed as an "anniversary edition", but it was only $30 more and cost me a run to the weed shop.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 January 2019 - 02:43 PM.

[dario03]

Vxheous, on 31 January 2019 - 02:10 PM, said:

Ok, with that in mind, I would suggest the following: A new CPU cooler + GPU upgrade. With a new CPU cooler, overclock that 4790K to 4.6-4.8Ghz, + new GPU should give you 80-100fps. MWO is severely CPU limited (although at some point it won't make a difference). For instance, I run a i5 6600K @ 4.6Ghz + GTX 1070, and my fps at 1080p ranges between 100-140ish, with occasional dips to the low 70s with extreme lrming happening (or forest colony/solaris city). My friend just built a brand new computer with an i9 9900K @ stock + RTX 2080, his fps at 1080p is like 120-160ish.

Edit: Looking further into overclocking the 4790K, you're probably going to have to aim at getting at least a larger AIO (240-280mm+) to be able to get to those clock speeds).

CPU upgrade to a ryzen + gtx 780 probably won't get you the fps boost you're looking for.

I haven't looked in a long time but I thought the 4790k was supposed to be able to hit 4.6 fairly easily. I've done 4.5 on a 4770k with a cheapo cooler (cooler master hyper 212 iirc) and thought the 4790k was supposed to be a better overclocker.
Though my biggest issue has always been cpu/gpu usage. No matter the settings they just don't get much usage but yet frames drop. Bumping the clock speed up did seem to make the big drops happen less often but its always inconsistent so who knows.

Edited by dario03, 31 January 2019 - 02:42 PM.

[LordNothing]

i still got my 4790k, thinking about doing a dodgy water cooling setup on it. if it fails no big loss, if it works i got a secondary number crunching rig for photogrammetry.

[Variant1]

I recomend watching these videos:

[justcallme A S H]

LordNothing, on 31 January 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

i went from a 4790k to a 8086k and didnt notice much of a gain in mwo. i got a huge gain going from my old 750ti to a 1060. so go with the video card. the 4790k is a hard chip to replace because it was just such an awesome sweet spot.

my reason for upgrading mostly to improve workstation performance (which it did) and because i wanted to use m.2 drives to reduce cabling and get usb 3.1/type c. i was going to go with an 8700k but they ran out of stock at the last minute. the 8086k is just a higher binned version of the same marketed as an "anniversary edition", but it was only $30 more and cost me a run to the weed shop.

Yeah you were probably GPU limited earlier at the earlier point.

I went from a 2600k @ 4.4ghz with a GTX1070 to a 8700k @ 4.9ghz. So a fair hike from the Sandy Bridge which I must admit served me very well.

Picked up ~60FPS from the CPU change alone @ 1440p. I can now sit stable on 80-90FPS even on Solaris City, while Streaming in 12v12 games. Good times. Previously I would get ~30FPS most maps. Occassionally I even max out my monitor / rate at 165FPS

[mrbash]

This is great advice. Thanks everyone. It seems the consensus is to try and overclock my cpu. Does anyone have any suggestions on reliable web articles for overxloxking that cpu? I am running an asus sabertooth MB and a Corsair watercooler for the cpu.

I just have no idea where to start in overclocking.

[Vxheous]

mrbash, on 31 January 2019 - 03:46 PM, said:

This is great advice. Thanks everyone. It seems the consensus is to try and overclock my cpu. Does anyone have any suggestions on reliable web articles for overxloxking that cpu? I am running an asus sabertooth MB and a Corsair watercooler for the cpu.

I just have no idea where to start in overclocking.

I never overclocked Haswell (I jumped from an Ivy Bridge to Skylake) but the basics of overclocking K processors haven't really changed in 9 years.

Here's a guide: https://www.overcloc...-intel-haswell/

Looks like the baseline thing to do is set your voltage manually to 1.2V for the CPU, and adjust the multiplier to 46 on all 4 cores, save, boot and see what happens. It will run hot (80-90*C). I would stick to only manipulating the multiplier, and leave your Bclk at 100.

Edited by Vxheous, 31 January 2019 - 04:17 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Also, System power options, set to High Performance. Balance or saver can hamper FPS.

What AA are you using? Try the game without AA, but if you are going with an AA, FXAA is the least demanding while MSAA can be more balanced. Just remember that running on the Testing Grounds is totally different from Live game due to the extra work going on in the background, ie this is where higher CPU helps.

[LT. HARDCASE]

New GPU all the way.

[LordNothing]

justcallme A S H, on 31 January 2019 - 03:00 PM, said:

Yeah you were probably GPU limited earlier at the earlier point.

I went from a 2600k @ 4.4ghz with a GTX1070 to a 8700k @ 4.9ghz. So a fair hike from the Sandy Bridge which I must admit served me very well.

Picked up ~60FPS from the CPU change alone @ 1440p. I can now sit stable on 80-90FPS even on Solaris City, while Streaming in 12v12 games. Good times. Previously I would get ~30FPS most maps. Occassionally I even max out my monitor / rate at 165FPS

i had a sandy processor (i think it was a 2500) and the 4790k was definitely a huge improvement. but intel has been in such a slump lately that it took four years for them to offer a product that was actually better than what i was running. it seems i spent more this time around. amd even managed to catch up. i might upgrade to an rtx 2070 or some such around the time mech 5 comes out. provided i can power it on my 600w sfx psu (its one of those corsair modular units and its probably one of the most stable psus ive used in some time).

not giving up on my sff builds, i even found a case that's half as big as my elite 110 yet offers enough space for a full length graphics card. its a bit pricey but it supposidly has better thermals.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 January 2019 - 07:16 PM.

[Vxheous]

LordNothing, on 31 January 2019 - 07:11 PM, said:

i had a sandy processor (i think it was a 2500) and the 4790k was definitely a huge improvement. but intel has been in such a slump lately that it took four years for them to offer a product that was actually better than what i was running. it seems i spent more this time around. amd even managed to catch up. i might upgrade to an rtx 2070 or some such around the time mech 5 comes out. provided i can power it on my 600w sfx psu (its one of those corsair modular units and its probably one of the most stable psus ive used in some time).

not giving up on my sff builds, i even found a case that's half as big as my elite 110 yet offers enough space for a full length graphics card. its a bit pricey but it supposidly has better thermals.

600W should be fine to power a RTX 2070

[BlueStrat]

I'm looking to upgrade my PC as well. Currently on a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H mobo with an AMD FX-5350 APU and GT-1030 GPU.

I'm planning on keeping the GT-1030 and the tower case, so a new mobo, CPU, PSU, RAM and HDD. I'm going to have $500 max to work with

I haven't been able to find a suitable combo of hardware that stays within my budget so far.

Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by BlueStrat, 31 January 2019 - 08:45 PM.

[ForceUser]

@ OP

Have a look at the RX 480 8GB graphics card. it's better and cheaper than a 1060 6GB and you get 2 free games with it at most places. Also keep in mind Navi releases around mid year and might be a good alternative to the RTX cards for MW5. Might not be able to make use of any Ray tracing or DLSS tech they implement though.

BlueStrat, on 31 January 2019 - 08:43 PM, said:

I'm looking to upgrade my PC as well. Currently on a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H mobo with an AMD FX-5350 APU and GT-1030 GPU.

I'm planning on keeping the GT-1030 and the tower case, so a new mobo, CPU, PSU, RAM and HDD. I'm going to have $500 max to work with

I haven't been able to find a suitable combo of hardware that stays within my budget so far.

Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Fun fact, the AMD Ryzen 2400G APU on board graphics is actually (slightly) stronger than the 1030.

But for your purposes, if you are planning on eventually upgrading the GPU I would look at something like this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4dMg4q

And then picking up an RX 480 8GB at some point or waiting to see what Navi Brings later this year.

ps I modified the part list from this: https://pcpartpicker...md-gaming-build .It's a very solid build all round.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

for all I know, AMD CPUs with their lesser single-thread performance are not optimal for MWO.

[Thorqemada]

Nvidia is only at the Topend without competition - in the Midend AMD gives them more than a challenge and usually offers the best Price-Performance value and more RAM than Nvidia.

Here is an actual Benchamrk Video comparing the 2 GPUs GTX1060 6GB vs RX580 8GB:

You need to look what else do you play and also remind that more Ram is needed for higher resolutions and the min specs will only go up:

[Thorqemada]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 01 February 2019 - 01:30 AM, said:

for all I know, AMD CPUs with their lesser single-thread performance are not optimal for MWO.

Yeah, around the end of year holiday Season i will upgrade my System to Ryzen 7nm, at least Ryzen 3600x, and curiously play MWO for how much it has the Performance improved and what it means for the gameplay...

...will still use my RX480 Nitro+ 8GB and wait till 2020 for a decision about a GPU upgrade.

Edited by Thorqemada, 01 February 2019 - 01:55 AM.