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[Darky101]

So the bludgeon is just bad, it is just the worse variant... and anything it does... other mechs do better...

So why give a Gift that is bad? You are a detriment if you run it.

If I just got some cbills as a gift...I would just say thank you!
Getting something thats bad and I wont use.. i just ask why?

Just like some of the loyalty variants...

[Maddermax]

Darky101, on 22 February 2019 - 01:21 AM, said:

So the bludgeon is just bad, it is just the worse variant... and anything it does... other mechs do better...

So why give a Gift that is bad? You are a detriment if you run it.

If I just got some cbills as a gift...I would just say thank you!
Getting something thats bad and I wont use.. i just ask why?

Just like some of the loyalty variants...

Pretty sure you got a bunch of Cbills and MC as a gift as well. And you can strip the mech for parts, free cbills.

If the lining was any more silver, you couldn’t see the cloud.

Edited by Maddermax, 22 February 2019 - 01:46 AM.

[kf envy]

I can say the same thing about the other free mech. at least I was able to strip them of all there parts an turn that into cbills.

[ingramli]

Usual PGI practice.......it recalls my memory for another free C-Bill Bonus mech, the CN9-A [NCIX] from the sponsor. Not the best of the branch, but at least a standard variant which is somehow doable with some effort (love). This Bludgeon.......i cant really help with its hardpoint....5 energy and a single missiles for a 80 tonner? Give me a break, the closest thing which can perform reasonably which be PPC + LPL combo, but then i rather play hellbringer for laser vomit...

Edited by ingramli, 24 February 2019 - 04:14 PM.

[ImperialKnight]

Gift mechs are seldom the best variant. It doesn't make sense from a business standpoint, and I'm fine with it. The Bludgeon is definitely not great. If you really hate it that much, just strip it and sell it. There you go, free CBills.

I would keep it just as a unique mech though. And you'll never know when new tech or quirks may make it good. The WVR loyalty mech was absolute crap as well. Then MRMs came out and the ultra high mounts made the MRM30x2 with head laser build on it a beast. I love poptarting over friendly assaults and delivering massive damage and getting little to no return fire

[Bud Crue]

Darky101, on 22 February 2019 - 01:21 AM, said:

So the bludgeon is just bad, it is just the worse variant... and anything it does... other mechs do better...

So why give a Gift that is bad? You are a detriment if you run it.

If I just got some cbills as a gift...I would just say thank you!
Getting something thats bad and I wont use.. i just ask why?

Just like some of the loyalty variants...

Even I wouldn’t go that far. A gift is a gift, and even if you hate the thing you can sell it (in the past they wouldn’t let you sell many of the free mechs you were gifted or awarded). My issue with the Bludgeon is that I think (totally subjective here) is that the best build is going to be 4ERPPCs. I have mechs that do that. I rarely run them, and I don’t particularly need another. If I put an alternative build such as 5MPL or (4MPL and a LPL) and an ATM 12, it felt awkward; plus I can do that sort of mixing on a plethora of other lighter and better (and already skilled) mechs like an Ebon or Hellbringer. So yeah, in the end I got rid of it, but not out of some sort of spite for getting a lame gift, but rather because it was a mech I just have no use for. I think many, perhaps most, will find a use for it (it is a c-bill bonus mech after all), but I think in a month you will rarely ever see the Bludgeon played by any but the most mech starved players, because there are better options for the rest of us. Still though...free mech dude, and I think it did look pretty sharp.

[Alvar Von Kenesthor]

It's true it's a really bad warhammer IIC variant when compared to the others. But you're forgetting that:
- You got it, A HERO, for free.
-Along with it, you also got a Corsair, 1250MC and 6'5M C-bills
https://mwomercs.com...iday-bonus-2018

Indeed it's a bad mech, but would you rather have that o nothing at all? Entitled much or just craving for attention?

[ingramli]

ImperialKnight, on 22 February 2019 - 03:29 AM, said:

Gift mechs are seldom the best variant. It doesn't make sense from a business standpoint, and I'm fine with it. The Bludgeon is definitely not great. If you really hate it that much, just strip it and sell it. There you go, free CBills.

I would keep it just as a unique mech though. And you'll never know when new tech or quirks may make it good. The WVR loyalty mech was absolute crap as well. Then MRMs came out and the ultra high mounts made the MRM30x2 with head laser build on it a beast. I love poptarting over friendly assaults and delivering massive damage and getting little to no return fire

I am not asking the free mech to be the best, it is no reasonable expectation, but at least i wish it is at least doable with some specific (if niche) build that can perform reasonably on the right hands....but look at the hard points and the tonnage available, there are little choice that can utilize its free mass, most of the options (such as putting a STD400 on it) would be nothing more than troll build, the free mech for me is like a dishonored cheque, PGI is literally giving away a trash mech without any build option to be remotely competitive.

[ImperialKnight]

They didn't have to give away ANYTHING. They were feeling generous for Christmas and did something nice. They gave away CBills, 1000+MC, AND a free Hero mech. What the actual f**K are people complaining about
Again, if you're unhappy, sell the mech for CBills.

[TheCaptainJZ]

I am guessing PGI doesn't analyze mechs as much as the playerbase when they decide what free mech to give out. They probably just pick one.

[ingramli]

ImperialKnight, on 22 February 2019 - 03:41 AM, said:

They didn't have to give away ANYTHING. They were feeling generous for Christmas and did something nice. They gave away CBills, 1000+MC, AND a free Hero mech. What the actual f**K are people complaining about
Again, if you're unhappy, sell the mech for CBills.

It is fine for them to give out a crap mech, if they inform us that it will not be a practical mech in combat in advance. Now what they have done is announce a hero mech give away, with no additional information, many players, especially those play for free, would expect a workhorse for C-Bill grinding, and it turns out to be a joke in combat.

Giving out crap mech is not the problem, giving out false expectation is.

[Curccu]

Well for new'er players without many mechs its still decent FREE mech with CB bonus.

[justcallme A S H]

ingramli, on 22 February 2019 - 03:21 AM, said:

Usual PGI practice.......

The Roughneck Powerhouse, SunSpider Vanguard - both were excellent free hero mechs. I use my Hero SNS a hell of a lot, it's great!


Anyway try this build - BLUDGEON - The mech is far from "bad". I mean it is not the best variant, sure, but it can be made to work. 228 guys running a slightly different build to the above, i just modded it to how I would play it.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 22 February 2019 - 04:01 AM.

[Pain G0D]

Its a hero mech you got for free . You use hero mechs to save up on cbills to buy the meta mech of your dreams .

[Bombast]

ingramli, on 22 February 2019 - 03:59 AM, said:

It is fine for them to give out a crap mech, if they inform us that it will not be a practical mech in combat in advance.

People have known what the Bludgeon was going to be for a long time. The fact you couldn't be bothered to check isn't really PGI's fault.

And it's not even that bad. It certainly isn't a monster, but it's basically a Warhawk with a C-Bill bonus. There are far more useless mechs in MWO.

Edited by Bombast, 22 February 2019 - 04:38 AM.

[ingramli]

Bombast, on 22 February 2019 - 04:38 AM, said:

People have known what the Bludgeon was going to be for a long time. The fact you couldn't be bothered to check isn't really PGI's fault.

And it's not even that bad. It certainly isn't a monster, but it's basically a Warhawk with a C-Bill bonus. There are far more useless mechs in MWO.

Okay just figured out that the Bludgeon can be sold for near 2M C-Bills (and a mech bay), I guess it is the best use for it (A Warhawk with C-Bill bonus? it is a nice joke, it took me 5 games to do 1000 dmg for the event reward, Warhawk is definitely better IMO). TBH, the C-Bills bonus just wont cover the extra amount i earn on a more capable mech.

Edited by ingramli, 22 February 2019 - 04:46 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Darky101, on 22 February 2019 - 01:21 AM, said:

So the bludgeon is just bad, it is just the worse variant... and anything it does... other mechs do better...

So why give a Gift that is bad? You are a detriment if you run it.

If I just got some cbills as a gift...I would just say thank you!
Getting something thats bad and I wont use.. i just ask why?

Just like some of the loyalty variants...

Sell it, i did. You get 4m Cbills and a mechbay. Free, is free after all.

[kapusta11]

It's not worse than other WHM IIC variants. Chassis itself sucks though. PGI should really stop screwing with mechs' agility stats.

[ingramli]

https://mech.nav-alp...830b_WHM-IIC-BL
Finally found out a semi-useful way for it...a brawler with 5 MPL and a ASRM6, pretty close to a Clan version of Zeus....

https://mech.nav-alp...6f31_WHM-IIC-BL
XL version.......0.6 ton waste, but you got the speed if you really need it.

Edited by ingramli, 22 February 2019 - 05:12 AM.

[Gen Lee]

The Bludgeon has two issues. First and foremost is the bad mobility. I was running it a good bit last night, and once I had put some points into the Mobility skill tree, it started to come alive. The other issue is the hardpoints, or lack thereof. I ended up running the Bludgeon as a quad cER-PPC build, one in each arm and side torso, along with all the DHSs it can carry. This worked pretty well for the most part, and it comes with a +15% velocity quirk for those suckers, which helps.

I didn't fully skill it out, but I did put points into the Operations skill tree for all the all the Heat Containment and Cool Run nodes to deal with the hot-running weaponry. I did pretty good with it last night for the most part, aside from some games that were no-win situations (some group drop games were worse than quick play silent games).

I think if PGI buffs the mobility of the Whammy IIC, even just the Bludgeon, that would be a big step in the right direction. After those mobility tweaks, it felt a lot better to pilot, but assaults (especially an 80-tonner) shouldn't need heavy investment into mobility to perform well. Those are points that would be better spent elsewhere. I'm just glad they didn't release it overpowered somehow, with it later being nerfed into the ground like we've seen before.