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[Horseman]

FupDup, on 21 March 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

I'm assuming/hoping that they are referring to the special (S) versions that have special camo and 30% C-Bills boost. I don't think even they'd be stupid enough to not ever release C-Bill versions of these mechs.

Apparently they are, which is a mite annoying because as a result those mechs will not be eligible for at least some of the competitive leagues.
Also, I want to build a drop deck of ECM Marauders. Problem?

Edited by Horseman, 22 March 2019 - 01:24 AM.

[Ryoken]

Thank you very much PGI! That really is a nice surprise on top on all that preorder bonuses!

Steel Raven, on 21 March 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

I really dig the Camo pattern

Yes I also like this camo pattern and hope they can extend it over the now still blank orange areas. Or maybe those areas will be dark metal/mechanical non-colored parts?

It's always good to have some more camo patterns that can work as actual field camoflage, as I like my walking tanks painted like tanks.

For all those parade pattern fans this camo pattern still might work nice as well with the right bright colors to give the racecar look some players like for their mechs.

Well done to the creator of this versatile pattern!

Edited by Ryoken, 22 March 2019 - 02:30 AM.

[GamerPro4000]

Do you guys think these mechs will go on sale for MCs eventually? None of the variants look appealing to me so far.

[FLG 01]

dr3dnought, on 21 March 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

EDIT: I see Russ already clarified on twitter: https://twitter.com/...892137112764416

If that really means the standard, non-(S) variants... PGI would make a mistake. I like the MAD-9M, but not enough to pre-order. I would pay real money to play it in MWO, but not $50.

If they sold a standard, non-(S) MAD-9M for $10, I'd buy it. (And I'd give even more for an MAD-9S).

Anyway, permanently prohibiting access to very interesting variants of very popular chassis, unless one preorders MW:5, is not a good idea.

[IronEleven]

dr3dnought, on 21 March 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

EDIT: I see Russ already clarified on twitter: https://twitter.com/...892137112764416

Ok bye. I wish I could refund the money I've spent on this game (more than any other game I own).

Yep, this is ridiculous.

[Chiasson Brinker]

Manei Domini Krigg, on 21 March 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

CFG for Cat C2 i think some like this
https://mwo.smurfy-n...40b4fc7f59229d9

Warhammer most interesting that have engine max rating 400... But hard to use it.

Marauder. ECM - good. No ballistics - bad.
4 ERLL in base CFG? If this will have QUIRK for ERLL HSR+1 - will be good mech.

King Crab for big LURMS?? If you really vant to made popular King Krab, its must be ballisic mech, or energy:
RA - 2 B
RT - 1B 1E
LT - 1B 1E
LA - 2B
Anyone who use IS assaults will bye THIS.

As to the Marauder? Symetrical Stealth armour and MRMs

[VanDaark]

That KGC should have come with UAC load and some UAC quirks beacuse that will be Heaven. Anyway nice package !

[laio scotsman]

As someone that has already pre-ordered before this, why the heck are you making these mechs preorder exclusive PGI? That's going to (and already has) made people very angry. A timed exclusive release is about as bad as it gets, and nearly guarantees these will be excluded from comp. Please reconsider and make them available as normal C-bill variants in the future. The outrage about this exclusivity (and the lack of even one post supporting it here or on other social platforms) should explain the reason well enough.

[Chiasson Brinker]

I count maybe, at most, 15 people in this thread upset about these mechs being preorder exclusives. If the Jarl’s List (that is players active within the last 6 months), that represents 0.0006% of our playerbase. And as much as the competitive circuit gets attention (courtesy of MechCon), the competitive players represent only one subset of players. By and large, the sum total of what these four mechs represent is a bonus for those of us who got the preorder, or an incentive to those amongst us who were teetering on the fence.

And besides that, the cheapest preorder is what? maybe the equivalent of buying the cheapest MC bundle 5, maybe 6 times? I get thst there ARE people who have managed just fine in the game without spending a cent (and I’m impressed if they can) but honestly, if you want the mechs, just buy the fuzzing preorder. If you can’t bring yourselves to do that, accept that your game parents told you “no, you don’t get a treat this time”.

[Gagis]

Chiasson Brinker, on 22 March 2019 - 04:50 AM, said:

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Congratulations. You are the first gamer I have ever encountered that does not hate anything resembling pay2win with a passion. Some of the biggest shitstorms I have seen in my life have been when similar steps have been taken in other games, with monetary payments for exclusive content that has tangible influence on game play.

I preordered too so it's not that I'm salty over not getting them and I get that these particular variants don't seem to be any better than other variants of the same chassis, but these are the kinds of steps that have led to disasters for other games.

[Chiasson Brinker]

Gagis, on 22 March 2019 - 04:55 AM, said:

Congratulations. You are the first gamer I have ever encountered that does not hate anything resembling pay2win with a passion. Some of the biggest shitstorms I have seen in my life have been when similar steps have been taken in other games, with monetary payments for exclusive content that has tangible influence on game play.

I preordered too so it's not that I'm salty over not getting them and I get that these particular variants don't seem to be any better than other variants of the same chassis, but these are the kinds of steps that have led to disasters for other games.

Pay to win assumes that these mechs offer something that isn’t already available for free elsewhere. None of these four mechs give us anything that isn’t currently free. ECM 75 tonner with missiles and energy hardpoints? Thanatos. Jump capable heavy energyboat? Marauder. King Crab with an extra missile hardpoint in the opposite torso? Meh? The C2 Catapult doesn’t have enough weight to make the best of its hardpoints, or else, it doesn’t have enough critical spaces.

[FLG 01]

Chiasson Brinker, on 22 March 2019 - 04:50 AM, said:

I count maybe, at most, 15 people in this thread upset about these mechs being preorder exclusives. If the Jarl’s List (that is players active within the last 6 months), that represents 0.0006% of our playerbase.

Yeah, that totally means 99.9994% could not possibly imagine any better solution.

Chiasson Brinker, on 22 March 2019 - 05:08 AM, said:

ECM 75 tonner with missiles and energy hardpoints? Thanatos.

Sure, if we ignore geometry aka the biggest reason the Thanatos is not competitive.
Note I am not saying the MAD-9M will be a beast - quirks will decide that - but calling the Thanatos a viable alternative is plain nonsense.

Edited by FLG 01, 22 March 2019 - 05:23 AM.

[Gagis]

Lets put it this way:

Stunts like this are so widely known to make gamers angry, that game developers typically go for them only when they are desperate and have nothing to lose.

Is PGI desperate with nothing to lose and should we be concerned? Probably not, since its more likely to be just a PR blunder, but it still does not inspire confidence.

The variants themselves seem fine but nothing to call home about. Catapult could run SRM's with LB10's or an AC20 or big AC's with arms and their missile doors as extra shields, so it looks like it could be decent. The warhammer can jump which is neat, but it lacks the hardpoints to compete with 6R or 6D. The marauder has ECM which is neat but those hardpoints are extremely restrictive. The King Crab looks like it might be better than 0000 and 010, but its still a king crab with awkward arm geometry. Them not literally being winning variants you can only buy with top dollars does not make this stunt much more confidence inspiring though. I'd be in hysterical panic mode if they looked like they would be top tier.

Edited by Gagis, 22 March 2019 - 05:38 AM.

[Horseman]

laio scotsman, on 22 March 2019 - 04:33 AM, said:

Please reconsider and make them available as normal C-bill variants in the future

Hell, nothing stops them from putting that date in 2020 rather than by the usual schedule.

[banana peel]

Seeing all the free stuff offered, i was going to preorder.

Now that preorder bonus variants for MWO are confirmed exclusive for money, i'm not going to. I'll have a very hard time enjoing the mechs that i know are not available for the majority of players.

Nor do i plan to spend money on MWO/MW5 anymore (unless this point is revised) because i cannot support the developer which makes decisions like this. This is a gamebreaking issue for me, personally.

[C E Dwyer]

Anything, free is nice.

As I've already pre-ordered, anything extra, is well just extra.

From a point of enticing, others to spend, I think it would have been better served, adding an extra camo, option, for these three mech's in ummm

MW5

[Metachanic]

Speaking as someone who was pushed to pre-order courtesy of this latest batch of interesting mechs before realizing they were actually exclusive, I strongly recommend reconsidering making the pre-order variants exclusive. At least make them available for MC at some point, or you're compromising the free to play model. There should always be a path for free players to access the same tools available to paid players, even if there's a delay like the mech pack model. You're back-pedaling on something you got right in the past; the MWO Founders mechs are available in-game as standard variants. Why not these?

[C E Dwyer]

Metachanic, on 22 March 2019 - 07:39 AM, said:

Speaking as someone who was pushed to pre-order courtesy of this latest batch of interesting mechs before realizing they were actually exclusive, I strongly recommend reconsidering making the pre-order variants exclusive. At least make them available for MC at some point, or you're compromising the free to play model. There should always be a path for free players to access the same tools available to paid players, even if there's a delay like the mech pack model. You're back-pedaling on something you got right in the past; the MWO Founders mechs are available in-game as standard variants. Why not these?

PGI's idea of Exclusive, is to sell them green for MC about three months after they arrive, this variants will be ingame at some point for those that don't pre order.

[- World Eater -]

The preorder bonus content is awfully skewed towards MWO...

[Gagis]

C E Dwyer, on 22 March 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

PGI's idea of Exclusive, is to sell them green for MC about three months after they arrive, this variants will be ingame at some point for those that don't pre order.

This is false. The FAQ for the bonus variants says they will not be available later, and Russ confirms it in this tweet: https://twitter.com/...892137112764416