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[FRAGTAST1C]

I'm moving closer to Tier 2. I want to go back to Tier 4 and Tier 5 'cause (based on my experience)...

1. More people used Comms in every match

2. More people were open to ideas and actually followed through on what they said they'd do

3. Cracked a joke or two when they died and kept the spirits up despite losing to a stomp

4. All types of ranges were covered whereas now, the action takes place at 400m minimum (the saving grace is Domination or the new-old maps)

5. People actively try to use others as shields and block the people in front instead of working together

I could list more reasons but those are the most aggravating. Is this 'cause the MM keeps T5 and 4 in one pool and T3, 2 & 1 in another pool to put teams together, occasionally mixing all of them if the population is low? I remember T5 and 4 being enjoyable and felt like it was a team-based game whereas now, it's like "Every MW for themselves". It is so rare to relive those experiences again and I wonder what it's like further up.

I started using the Orion IIC after the Hellbringer to complete this weekend's events. The matches that I played before didn't matter 'cause the Hellbringer was a maverick than a team player. But the Brawling Orion has left me feeling that the sooner I skill it up, the sooner I can stop using it. Luckily, the matches were OK and I have 61 points skilled up.

But yeah, the big post is just something that probably is repeated a lot and I'm adding this to the archives. Don't get me wrong. I like the Orion IIC, and the matches, despite the stomps where I barely did 250 damage 'cause I was the only eejit leading the push, were still something I reflected upon and told myself to try other tactics in the next match and so on. Overall, I shudder at the fact that apart for rare matches where people co-operate, call out targets, engage in good tactics and open Comms, a large majority of the matches will be soulless and not even mech packs and events could improve the bad feeling from now on.

[Grus]

So the reason why you dont have a lot of voip comms in higher tiers is due to we already know or have a good idea where to go and what builds to bring. Also, in QP, radical tactics are hard to do, due to the mix bag of builds you are handed. Thus people tend to do their own thing. If you want that communication, go to GQ with a team and have synergistic builds/mechs and give it a go.

[Captain Polux]

Tier 3 was nice. The higher you get, the more salty it is.

[RickySpanish]

Agreed T3 was a neat sweet spot where you got all manner of outcomes, and people liked to natter over comms. Still happens at T2 of course, but I get the feeling it's not quite as often. It's not that bad though, the amount of salt in MWO pales in comparison to other games.

[FupDup]

You're gonna be at tier 1 soon enough. The XP bar shows no mercy.

[Koniving]

If you have a small number of matches, getting back to tier 4 isn't difficult. Become a solo operative and enjoy the game without help, using less efficient means of killing. You can actually play seriously and still go down, just don't do any teamwork worthy actions and remember to give your opponents a chance. Typing taunts while they shoot you (about half the time still killing them anyway) or deliberately trying to stand on their head to make the kill shot are a couple of ways of quickly dropping your tier while also having a bit of fun.

If you have over 100k matches, abandon all hope.

[Gas Guzzler]

Comms in low tiers is largely unnecessary and typically people saying things that are either obvious, or just straight up bad ideas. Even in Tier 1 games you hear stuff that is just like WAT?

In fact, I would argue that when you do hear comms as a Tier 1, most of the time it just creates confusion and team splitting which results in a stomp. I don't know the people making the calls or what tier they are of course.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 07 April 2019 - 09:33 AM.

[Curccu]

6. cannot seal club anymore :/

[4rcs1ne]

I have an alt tier 4 account that I play on just for fun. (Right now I'm using theb33f's light gauss cicada build).

It truly is amazing just how much more friendly and chill those people are compared to the tier 1 folks.

[John Bronco]

You're 80th percentile, you'd be moving up even if PSR made sense.

[Phoenix 72]

Well, I know where you come from. I have an alt that is currently in T3 and I am really close to T2 by now... Games there are just much more enjoyable, and I do not mean just for the obscene scores that I sometimes run up. In fact, I had a really guilty feeling playing in T5, because I really do not belong into that Tier.

But yeah, players were more friendly and laid back. I never once got a "**** team FFS!!!" from a teammate, only ever a "well, we will get them next time."

It's less the use of coms for me, because I have had some amazing games where nobody ever said a word and everybody just knew what to do. It is the lack of salt and the lack of toxicity. If you show up with a weird build, nobody tells you that you suck, they say "Okay, show me what you can do with that."

I know that MWO is considered relaxed by what FPS people are used to, but I have been playing MMORPGs for over 20 years, people are much more friendly there.

[Mystere]

FupDup, on 07 April 2019 - 09:10 AM, said:

You're gonna be at tier 1 soon enough. The XP bar shows no mercy.

Going full joystick should slow that down.

[FupDup]

Mystere, on 07 April 2019 - 01:16 PM, said:

Going full joystick should slow that down.

No matter how much you run from it, the XP bar will still catch up to you.

[Jman5]

Matt2496, on 07 April 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

I have an alt tier 4 account that I play on just for fun. (Right now I'm using theb33f's light gauss cicada build).

It truly is amazing just how much more friendly and chill those people are compared to the tier 1 folks.

I have heard this a lot but I think there is a misconception over who the angry ones are. I have a dumb habit of looking salt-lords up on Jarl's list. 90% of the people who flip out on comms or in chat are people who are not or should not be in tier 1. By in large it's not the try-hard high performing guys who are yelling at their team (though there are a few annoying exceptions). It's usually the guys who are frustrated because they did poorly and are looking to externalize the blame.

People who do well are usually pretty mellow because they're satisfied with their individual performance, or they tend to internalize blame.

I guarantee you if you could graph it you would see a salt bell curve. Low salt for beginners and casual player population. High salt out of that population that's struggling in the middle, and then back to low salt for people who perform well or play with other good players.

[Dee Eight]

- World Eater -, on 07 April 2019 - 08:35 AM, said:

Tier 3 was nice. The higher you get, the more salty it is.

MORE trolly builds become also.

[Dee Eight]

Jman5, on 07 April 2019 - 01:59 PM, said:

I have heard this a lot but I think there is a misconception over who the angry ones are. I have a dumb habit of looking salt-lords up on Jarl's list. 90% of the people who flip out on comms or in chat are people who are not or should not be in tier 1.

Tiers are NOT skill bars or quality bars. They're game match score grind bars. Eventually everyone gets to Tier 1 if they grind long enough.

[Bowelhacker]

Jman5, on 07 April 2019 - 01:59 PM, said:

I have heard this a lot but I think there is a misconception over who the angry ones are. I have a dumb habit of looking salt-lords up on Jarl's list. 90% of the people who flip out on comms or in chat are people who are not or should not be in tier 1. By in large it's not the try-hard high performing guys who are yelling at their team (though there are a few annoying exceptions). It's usually the guys who are frustrated because they did poorly and are looking to externalize the blame. People who do well are usually pretty mellow because they're satisfied with their individual performance, or they tend to internalize blame. I guarantee you if you could graph it you would see a salt bell curve. Low salt for beginners and casual player population. High salt out of that population that's struggling in the middle, and then back to low salt for people who perform well or play with other good players.

Dude, no one wants people posting sensible and measured thoughts here...

[Dragonporn]

Jman5, on 07 April 2019 - 01:59 PM, said:

I have heard this a lot but I think there is a misconception over who the angry ones are. I have a dumb habit of looking salt-lords up on Jarl's list. 90% of the people who flip out on comms or in chat are people who are not or should not be in tier 1. By in large it's not the try-hard high performing guys who are yelling at their team (though there are a few annoying exceptions). It's usually the guys who are frustrated because they did poorly and are looking to externalize the blame.

Actually that the truth. With very few exceptions, although I see open whining extremely rarely myself, most who go down on comms like that are guys who died in first 5 mins with below 100 damage. I've rarely seen guys with good score trashtalking over the comms or in chat.

[GeminiWolf]

Mystere, on 07 April 2019 - 01:16 PM, said:

Going full joystick should slow that down.

Pretty sure the majority of the players on here play with a joystick, a lot.

[FupDup]

GeminiWolf, on 07 April 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

Pretty sure the majority of the players on here play with a joystick steering wheel, a lot.

Fixed.