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[Grus]

Kiran Yagami, on 18 April 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

Then make ERPPCs worth a damn. Right now, ISERPPCs are absolute garbage. They run too hot, are too heavy, and don't do enough damage to make them even remotely viable. Only the Awesome, which is quirked to hell and back, can run them with any semblance of effectiveness. If your weapon requires god level quirks to even be usable then your weapon is broken. Adding +1 HSL does absolutely nothing for a mech. 30 damage is not impressive. 35 damage is not impressive. 40 damage is not impressive either. We're talking about mechs that way north of 90 tons. A 40 damage alpha strike is way too small to be viable, especially in our current NSR/NASCAR meta. And that's on top of the obnoxious heat that ERPPCs produce. The ERPPC may not be the only weapon that does more heat than it does damage, but at least the cERLL has weight and slottage on its side. The ERPPC has none of the above. Make the thing worth while and maybe you'll sell more of those mech packs you keep trying to bait us with +HSL quirks.

Laughs in clan heat values**

[Gas Guzzler]

Grus, on 19 April 2019 - 08:22 AM, said:

Laughs in clan heat values**

Clan ER PPCs are the best of the PPC family by far.

[R Valentine]

Grus, on 19 April 2019 - 08:22 AM, said:

Laughs in clan heat values**

At least your PPC does more much damage than it generates heat. Ours has a 3.5 deficit on top of weighing more and taking up more slots. The cERPPC is undeniably the best PPC in the game.

[Acersecomic]

I'd personaly like to see just a HSL on some changed to PPC, instead of ER PPC, then we could run HGR+2SnubPPC on Bounty Hunter MUAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!

[ObeyTheLion]

Acersecomic, on 19 April 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

I'd personaly like to see just a HSL on some changed to PPC, instead of ER PPC, then we could run HGR+2SnubPPC on Bounty Hunter MUAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!

I'd personally like to see just an AC/20 HSL on the King Crab

[Grus]

Kiran Yagami, on 19 April 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

At least your PPC does more much damage than it generates heat. Ours has a 3.5 deficit on top of weighing more and taking up more slots. The cERPPC is undeniably the best PPC in the game.

Well IS has 4 different types of PPC's soo.....

And I did say Clan Heat values, no cerppc heat values... was speaking In general.

[Acersecomic]

ObeyTheLion, on 19 April 2019 - 11:16 AM, said:

I'd personally like to see just an AC/20 HSL on the King Crab

Would definetly be nice, yeah

[Gas Guzzler]

Acersecomic, on 19 April 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:

Would definetly be nice, yeah

AC40 2 SNPPCs lololol

[R Valentine]

Grus, on 19 April 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

Well IS has 4 different types of PPC's soo.....

And I did say Clan Heat values, no cerppc heat values... was speaking In general.

And almost every single one of them blow. The PPC is the only heat efficient PPC. The others are all garbage if they aren't mega quirked.

[Hellbringer]

Yes the clan version is the best but it's still utterly useless vs ballastics or lasers. I mean the PPC Warhawk is decent but that's 40 damage vs a double tap uac5uac10 for 60 damage and much less heat.

I'd take uacs any day of the week in its current state. Only mech that runs ppcs that is quite fun is the shadow cat. Jump up to some tall building and snipe

[Acersecomic]

Hellbringer, on 19 April 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

Yes the clan version is the best but it's still utterly useless vs ballastics or lasers. I mean the PPC Warhawk is decent but that's 40 damage vs a double tap uac5uac10 for 60 damage and much less heat.

I'd take uacs any day of the week in its current state. Only mech that runs ppcs that is quite fun is the shadow cat. Jump up to some tall building and snipe

Grasshopper poptarting with heavyPPCs is nice.

[cougurt]

Grus, on 19 April 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

Well IS has 4 different types of PPC's soo.....

all of which are fairly underwhelming.

Grus, on 19 April 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

And I did say Clan Heat values, no cerppc heat values... was speaking In general.

that only really applies to lasers, and most clan mechs make up for it with the amount of heatsinks they can take.

Hellbringer, on 19 April 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

Yes the clan version is the best but it's still utterly useless vs ballastics or lasers. I mean the PPC Warhawk is decent but that's 40 damage vs a double tap uac5uac10 for 60 damage and much less heat.

I'd take uacs any day of the week in its current state. Only mech that runs ppcs that is quite fun is the shadow cat. Jump up to some tall building and snipe

clan ERPPCs are far from useless, and there are a number of mechs that can run them very effectively. the warhawk is still an absolute beast in QP, even if the meta tends to favor dakka.

[ShiverMeRivets]

Hellbringer, on 19 April 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

Yes the clan version is the best but it's still utterly useless vs ballastics or lasers. I mean the PPC Warhawk is decent but that's 40 damage vs a double tap uac5uac10 for 60 damage and much less heat.

I'd take uacs any day of the week in its current state. Only mech that runs ppcs that is quite fun is the shadow cat. Jump up to some tall building and snipe

So because the stupidly OP 2cUAC10+2cUAC5 is a thing, you want to bring another weapon to the same level of stupidness?

HPPC is actually a pretty decent weapon - Gauss like damage and cooldown, without the charge up, for 5 tons less and no ammo required. The price to pay is the heat and minimal range. Asking for 3HPPC to be viable is almost like asking for 3 gauss. Currently only 1 mech can run 3HPPC and that was by mistake. What keeps this in check is that this is a generally sub-par chasis.

2HPPC is totally viable on quite a few chasis of 70 tons or above - provided that you treat them like the main weapon (like you have dual vauss) and carry mostly heatsinks and no extra ballistics. This is pretty much balanced.

1 HPPC combined with other energy, ballistic or especially Gauss/HGauss, is actually very good. A favorite example is HGuass+HPPC on Orion Protector for 40 PPFLD (and additional med lasers).

LPPC I agree that it is pretty meh and medium lasers are almost always better. Regular PPC is 7 tons which puts it at the same weight as LPL - I choose the latter 100%. PPC is less alpha/ton than the others. SNPPC never worked well foe me. Brawlers need good heat efficiency more than high heat PPFLD.

ERPPC is indeed very hot and could lose a bit of heat. The are sniper weapons and I hate snipers so I never use them. They SHOULD be a limited weapon so high heat is OK, just maybe not that much.

[R Valentine]

cougurt, on 19 April 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

that only really applies to lasers, and most clan mechs make up for it with the amount of heatsinks they can take.

Clan lasers also have slottage and tonnage on their side along with heat sink slottage. IS lasers have none of the above. Not to mention, finding an IS chassis that can even boat enough lasers to be a threat is a rarity. Clan mechs can play mix and match.

[Alienized]

dont forget that Clan er ppc's do a bit of splash damage. not sure if IS do by now or if they got rid of that on the clan er ppc's too. thats why a single er ppc myst lynx at least was usable :>