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[VonBruinwald]

Someone had to...

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

VonBruinwald, on 02 May 2019 - 09:49 AM, said:

Someone had to...

I disagree - it's gonna be OP as hell. no matter what it may be.
so.. that's done, too.

[Mystere]

You're both wrong! The Mech is just fine.

Well, that's done as well.

[FupDup]

I've never been able to understand how this became a meme.

While a number of DoA predictions have been wrong (like the Victor), some others have also been 100% correct. If you think that no mech has ever been useless upon its introduction to MWO then you are deluding yourself.

[Valgrimm]

I predict all of the above. It will be DOA, OP, PTW, and several other choice acronyms, as well as perfectly balanced.

The only true OP mech is the one announced in April, which has stealth armor so amazing, you can't even see the announcement!

Edited by Valgrimm, 02 May 2019 - 10:08 AM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

More like guess the quirks for the, my money is on......structure quirks. <.<

(yes pgi, they are a joke - so Im going to use them as a joke.)

[Kalimaster]

Don't matter. First person who gets killed by one is gonna scream....OP, we gotta nerf it because we might have a good Mech for once. Can't have that now can we, good Mechs that players will love. What would happen to this game then, nope. Can't have it.

[Six-Pack]

100t MAD is here, it's the Endgame - no more new content. Why do you think they put the classic maps back into rotation?

[Mystere]

FupDup, on 02 May 2019 - 10:03 AM, said:

I've never been able to understand how this became a meme.

While a number of DoA predictions have been wrong (like the Victor), some others have also been 100% correct. If you think that no mech has ever been useless upon its introduction to MWO then you are deluding yourself.

??? ???

[FupDup]

Mystere, on 02 May 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

??? ???

The way I interpret this meme is that people are making fun of those who proclaim a new mech to be DoA, yes? My issue with this is that it lumps in all the correct predictions with the incorrect ones.

[Tordin]

Its gonna be

[MechaBattler]

I wonder if we'll ever see the Starslayer. It was one of my favorite mechs in MechCommander 2.

[Gamuray]

FupDup, on 02 May 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

The way I interpret this meme is that people are making fun of those who proclaim a new mech to be DoA, yes? My issue with this is that it lumps in all the correct predictions with the incorrect ones.

I think it's moreso making fun of the trend that no matter what the hitboxes, hard points, etc or the mech announced, there is always people saying it'll be OP, DOA, etc. I think it's a perfectly harmless and enjoyable meme.

We all know it'll be OP initially and then get promptly nerfed when it comes out for c-bills. (No I don't have a tinfoil hat on, it's in the wash!)

Edited by Gamuray, 02 May 2019 - 12:30 PM.

[Koniving]

Tordin, on 02 May 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

Its gonna be

Akuma predicted!

[Bowelhacker]

FupDup, on 02 May 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

The way I interpret this meme is that people are making fun of those who proclaim a new mech to be DoA, yes? My issue with this is that it lumps in all the correct predictions with the incorrect ones.

You must be such a laugh at parties....

[FLG 01]

FupDup, on 02 May 2019 - 10:03 AM, said:

I've never been able to understand how this became a meme.

While a number of DoA predictions have been wrong (like the Victor), some others have also been 100% correct. If you think that no mech has ever been useless upon its introduction to MWO then you are deluding yourself.

I'd argue it is because predictions were accurate more often than not. People don't like it if you call their favourite units DoA, and they are even less happy if it turns out to be true. I am no exception, btw.
There are two ugly truths in MWO: 1) some Mechs just are not good enough to be fun unless quirked massively, and 2) there is undeniable empirical evidence to suggest PGI rarely applies such massive quirks, even if they are needed.

As far as predictions go, they can be fairly accurate. Especially the trias of geometry, hardpoints and engine cap has proven to be a reliable indicator of potential performance, and notable deviations from that indication caused by PGI's execution are too infrequent to summarily discard sober analyses. Doesn't mean they are always right, of course.

Edited by FLG 01, 02 May 2019 - 02:52 PM.

[Alstren]

The Black Knight is still my favorite example of all this

[WrathOfDeadguy]

There are also some DoA 'Mechs which, based on their hardpoints and geometry, should have been at least pretty good even without any quirks... if it hadn't been for PGI giving them utterly terrible mobility stats for their tonnage.

Looking at you, Warhammer IIC.

For an example of getting it right... the Champion. It looked like it'd be destined for the suckpile for sure based on its hitboxes alone, but turned out to actually be pretty good because it got similar quirks to the similarly hitbox-impaired Dragon. Good job, balance team! Every single variant of the venerable Chip is at least viable, but precisely none of them overperform. Nail? Head.

But... then consider the Timberwolf... which after over a year of completely dominating the game at all levels, got nerfed so heavily it still hasn't recovered. Or the dread KDK-3, which pwnt so hard that it got nearly every other ballistic platform in the game nerfed as collateral damage, including the ones that didn't even share a techbase with the Scare-Bear, because the balance pass targeted UACs globally instead of one variant specifically.

DoA is a meme because it deserves to be a meme. It's either spot on or wildly inaccurate, and only very (very) rarely somewhere in between.

[Snowhawk]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 02 May 2019 - 06:59 PM, said:

But... then consider the Timberwolf... which after over a year of completely dominating the game at all levels, got nerfed so heavily it still hasn't recovered. Or the dread KDK-3, which pwnt so hard that it got nearly every other ballistic platform in the game nerfed as collateral damage, including the ones that didn't even share a techbase with the Scare-Bear, because the balance pass targeted UACs globally instead of one variant specifically.

And please remember the Night Gear, this mech is so sluggish and has a bad Torso Twist. Once this mech was really good. Then they nerved ppc/gauss and additionally they nerved this Mech. A classic case of overnerfing….

[Omniseed]

NTG still rocks