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[Vellron2005]

So yeah.. another question I have to ask during this whole Steam/Epic mess..

Why doesn't PGI simply make a MW5 site that you download the game from, and keeps all the profits instead of giving a slice to Steam and/or Epic?

I don't get it..

Why do the developers suddenly need publishers?

I mean, I get that a site like Steam is a huge marketing platform.. but if you want to go for marketing, then it's good policy to place your product in as many shopping windows as you can.. so going with someone exclusively is shooting yourself in the foot, no?

You want to be in every magazine, on every site (Steam, Epic, GOG, and others), place a banner on every big advertiser like facebook and Google adwords.. Not just pick one and stick with them exclusively..

I don't understand PGI's business reasoning here..

Most people into Battletech have already preordered or decided not to, just from this very site.. So they should attract people not into battletech currently.. exclusivity limits that waaaay too much..

So.. can we get MW5 from like.. going to a MW5 site any buying it there?

I mean I don't care, I preordered.. but.. yeah..

[Novakaine]

Unfortunately a business is gonna do what a business is gonna do.
Epic blows, but I see PGI reasoning.
We have deal with it or don't.

[Prototelis]

Bandwidth isn't free.

Also, huge pile of money.

[ackstorm]

Vellron2005, on 26 July 2019 - 05:19 AM, said:

Why do the developers suddenly need publishers?

$

[evilauthor]

Novakaine, on 26 July 2019 - 05:22 AM, said:

Unfortunately a business is gonna do what a business is gonna do.
Epic blows, but I see PGI reasoning.
We have deal with it or don't.

Is Epic really so bad that people are willing to give up playing MW5 at all rather than deal with Epic?

I bought MW5 to play MW5. Why does it matter whose website I get it from?

[Feral Clown]

Thank you for starting an entire new Epic thread to ask this question.

[Blacksheep One]

Epic has a few issues, people don't trust their security since the fortnite breach and Epic doesn't have the community (or community features) yet - not to mention people (like me) who have huge game collections on Steam already. Looking at the Epic launcher roadmap, it has offline play now - but heck if I can find it. (And that's a general annoyance of mine, "having" to be online to play single player, whether it's this or Diablo III.)

I think the biggest beef is that MW5 went from one (or more? Was it Steam and GOG? Or am I misremembering?) when they were getting preorders to suddenly "Nope, just Epic for a year," and people feel really, really annoyed at that.

Apparently - for people asking elsewhere why they can't just get a Steam key when the exclusive period is over or holding on to them or whatever - Steam doesn't allow that now. (Primarily because another game *did* do that... and, of course, Steam doesn't get paid for those but still has to provide the game. Which makes sense.)

I'm ... not sure if I'm irked enough to join the refund crowd. I'm annoyed at the switch - I want this on Steam with everything that goes with it - but Epic doesn't have financial information from me, and won't. I'm kind of in a sit and wait position right now.

As for why developers need publishers? Publishers have incentive to publicize a game and, generally, have enough *other* games on to (a) allow them to do much more advertising, including deals, and ( in theory can get more eyes on new games with their launchers and stores. They've got a (semi) captive audience with the people who have their games already. They can do just like record companies do - dump money on what looks like a money making act, but get some leeway to make sure they get their money back (and more.) And what did Epic do? Drop a pile of cash on PGI, but say "... and it's in our store and only our store for the first year." Since that's when the initial rush of sales should be.

[evilauthor]

Hmm, the issues with Epic that I've been reading about has made me concerned enough about computer security to consider getting that refund. Especially since I have a BRAND NEW computer that I just bought and don't want it borked within the year of getting it.

[JadePanther]

I'd honestly prolly be happy with getting a direct DL from PGI's MWO launcher.. But given the whole turn of events surrounding all this i'd prolly just refund it anyway..

[General Solo]

I hear single player dont need the epic client (Old, grumpy, one man army, friends steal your kills mang )
So if I register with a new email address, download the game and install
I already bought it so epic dont get my Credit card details.
I can then unistall epic client...right?

Or not run it except for updates or doing co-op.

Main reason dont like epic is their security and history of not giving a frig about security.

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 29 July 2019 - 08:27 PM.

[Nightbird]

Vellron2005, on 26 July 2019 - 05:19 AM, said:

So yeah.. another question I have to ask during this whole Steam/Epic mess..

Why doesn't PGI simply make a MW5 site that you download the game from, and keeps all the profits instead of giving a slice to Steam and/or Epic?

Because they'd sell less than 10% of what either site can sell, due to access to their userbases.

That and also, the exclusive deal payout makes the release a guaranteed financial success.

[LordNothing]

Prototelis, on 26 July 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

Bandwidth isn't free.

neither is letting a publisher skim their profits.

[Prototelis]

LordNothing, on 29 July 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

neither is letting a publisher skim their profits.

Which is why they went with epic games; lower publishing fees on top of a huge upfront boost.

[ingramli]

Prototelis, on 29 July 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

Which is why they went with epic games; lower publishing fees on top of a huge upfront boost.

The move is good to PGI('s wallet) and bad to us (stuck with a inferior launcher with less features and worse security). PGI got something, we lost something and PGI did nothing to compensate us, this is unfair and I am unhappy about it.

[Prototelis]

So, ask for your money back?

I can guarantee that the product you would have received on steam is nearly identical to the one on epic games.

[LordNothing]

ingramli, on 29 July 2019 - 09:08 PM, said:

The move is good to PGI('s wallet) and bad to us (stuck with a inferior launcher with less features and worse security). PGI got something, we lost something and PGI did nothing to compensate us, this is unfair and I am unhappy about it.

i would totally be cool with it if pgi would give me more loot.

[Sebaztien Hawke]

evilauthor, on 29 July 2019 - 04:21 PM, said:

Is Epic really so bad that people are willing to give up playing MW5 at all rather than deal with Epic?

I bought MW5 to play MW5. Why does it matter whose website I get it from?

Yes, they are. I didn’t get to play Metro Exodus because of them. And now I can’t have the mech game I preordered and looked forward to, as well. If PGI absolutely needed money to finish this development, they should have told us and asked for it as a first option. I won’t reward EPS’s anti consumer, anti gamer’s business practices, or let them put their unwanted software (Fortnite) or unsecure storefront and launcher on my PC.

PGI had my money and support, gladly given. Now they don’t. They were either greedy or tone-deaf to the gaming public’s views by signing with EGS.

[General Solo]

Like free dlc's for pre orders

Could do a multi boot or load/boot from a spare ssd with a clean windows install and disconnect other storage

a pain but safer

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 29 July 2019 - 10:32 PM.