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[Foxwalker]

I am not necessarily a fan of NASCAR or not a fan of it. What i am sick of is the in-game Anti-NASCAR people.

Yesterday, i had several matches where someone states at the beginning, "I am not going to NASCAR!, I am too slow!"

Of course, the team is then decimated as no alternate strategy was suggested and the team essentially milled about until we were all killed off by the opposing teams aggressive NASCAR push. Happened in 2 games yesterday. 12-0 and 12-3 matches.

Really guys, an anti-strategy is not the way to go. Propose a strategy or let the lemming effect happen, at least we have a 50-50 chance if we do go the NASCAR route.


Thanks!

[Kodan Black]

One of my favorite complaints about NASCAR is "I'm too slow" and yet somehow the other assaults are keeping up. Ride the mech of your choosing and design, but if you decide to rock something that maxes at 32kph you shouldn't expect 11 other people to cater to your poor decision.

[Jman5]

It's almost an auto-loss when you hear that at the start. I've tried to do what they want. Hovering over them and never moving unless they move. It doesn't work. You get flanked, they still do terribly, and you lose.

The only way out is to just go super aggressive and completely ignore them. Try to make up for the deadweight by burning through the other team faster.

[Foxwalker]

Jman5, on 01 August 2019 - 09:27 AM, said:

It's almost an auto-loss when you hear that at the start. I've tried to do what they want. Hovering over them and never moving unless they move. It doesn't work. You get flanked, they still do terribly, and you lose.

The only way out is to just go super aggressive and completely ignore them. Try to make up for the deadweight by burning through the other team faster.

If there is anyone you should listen to, it is Jman.

Right, although, super aggressive almost always the winning strategy along with good communication.
Yesterday, games where the targets were called and focused on, were big wins.

[Willard Phule]

Jman5, on 01 August 2019 - 09:27 AM, said:

It's almost an auto-loss when you hear that at the start. I've tried to do what they want. Hovering over them and never moving unless they move. It doesn't work. You get flanked, they still do terribly, and you lose.

The only way out is to just go super aggressive and completely ignore them. Try to make up for the deadweight by burning through the other team faster.

Also known as "you are the hammer, I am the anvil." The trick is to burn through them faster than they run over your turrets.

[Gristle Missile]

If people specifically say to not nascar then its pretty easy to understand what you have to do next

You know the enemy is going to nascar if its one of those maps, so spread out, set up at your optimal range, and wait for their lights and med to hit a wall. Just hold a firing line and waiting for them to peek around. Works as long as your team has the foresight to do this. I think its fairly obvious but a lot of people seem lost if they aren't nascaring

The problem when people say not to nascar is that half the people stand around stationary looking totally clueless, and half the people do it anyways - either because they get bored or they don't care about another strategy

So instead of having a firing line of 12 waiting for 6 or so mechs, you get something more like a 6v6 until more enemies pile in on you and overwhelm

Cases like that makes it better if everyone just nascars sadly since it seems to be so ingrained in the DNA of players anyways


If someone says "don't nascar" then you can offer better strategies yourself too (don't have to let it rustle you), but they really should offer alternative strategies.

I have also been the annihilator with a max engine, mashing W as hard as I can, and I still can't escape it. I understand the anti-nascar people and it doesn't really bother me because it creates a boring and salty meta. I try to give alternate strategies like asking people to hold top on HPG - works sometimes, sometimes I am ignored.

It boils down to everyone being scared to scratch their paint or take fire. And its a shame because thats what makes MWO games good

[Moldur]

Look, I don't care if the obvious and perhaps only viable tactic at this point in time is for me to remain as a group with my team who is all going right.

I am going to die right here, doing a total of 150 damage, and then I will complain that it was everyone else's fault and that they should all adjust to me, who read the same situation they did and had the same information but disregarded it because... wait for it.... NASCAR BAD.

[Jman5]

Foxwalker, on 01 August 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

Right, although, super aggressive almost always the winning strategy along with good communication.
Yesterday, games where the targets were called and focused on, were big wins.

What I mean is that it's a question of how reckless you have to play it. Sometimes when I'm flanking I can slow play it a little. Wait for others to catch up and engage so we all take less damage in the process. Other times you have to say: 'damn the torpedoes full speed ahead!' because you're trying to stay ahead of the snowball.

Willard Phule, on 01 August 2019 - 10:24 AM, said:

Also known as "you are the hammer, I am the anvil." The trick is to burn through them faster than they run over your turrets.

You know I would happily play the anvil all the time in this game if I could reliably depend on my hammers to move aggressively. Too many times we're in a perfect set up but the hammers decide it's the perfect time to just sit back and trade. When I play the hammer, I don't have to depend on other people doing the right thing.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

I am of the opinion that if someone wants to complain about pugs automatically rotating right then they should be the change they want to see. Take company command, put down map markers, explain why its a good idea and call, if people ignore you then you have carte blanche to whine and moan about a bad team that just nascars.

Edited by QuakeRiley, 01 August 2019 - 11:12 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Sorry, I enjoy friendly slow mechs. I even enjoy escorting them. But most do not care about em.

[Mister Glitchdragon]

I once wrote that saying "Whatever you do, DON'T NASCAR!!!!" at the beginning of a match is not a winning strategy. I was told by better-percentile players that my stats were "mediocre," and so my opinion was laughable.

[FRAGTAST1C]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. NASCAR isn't the sole problem. The real issue is not shooting the enemies. Some people NASCAR and "get into position" while the team is getting decimated. Others don't NASCAR and don't get into good position and are fully exposed.

Take Canyon Network for e.g., The best way to counter an enemy's NASCAR is to move across the top instead of taking a wide lap around it. Yes, you're still trading positions and you are required to keep up with the fast movers. But this is the way to go. Instead of that, what happens is the team takes a wide lap and drops into the low ground, lose LOS and can't shoot any enemies.

Obviously timing this short trading of places is key and takes a good pilot to lead this and we all look to this angel who can do it but again, the whole team has to be ready and move up across the centre and back again, constantly shooting at enemies.

Similar thing on frozen Canyon Network. Just guard the crashed Dropship. The enemies always get funneled there and come at you one at a time. If you take the top and prepare, you can create a great firing line on both ends of their line. Then, you cut across to the side that the enemies are retreating to 'cause they're bunching up and blocking each other. Instead, what happens most of the time on that map is the team drops to the low ground, abandons a great vantage point and don't shoot at enemies for vast amounts of time.

Edited by FRAGTAST1C, 01 August 2019 - 07:32 PM.

[50 50]

There must be a meme somewhere with an Urbanmech saying : "I'm going to NASCAR the **** out of this"

[Armored Yokai]

The best way to beat a nascar is to make a small firing line at the edge of the map and make them come to you.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

Instead of nascaring, try anti-nascaring : You're still nascaring, but I'm sure the lights would be less willing to leave their assaults behind if your whole team was nascaring into the enemy lights instead of nascaring away from them.

Of course if both teams anti-nascar at the same time, you still end up with a nascar, with both teams just turning the other way around

The problem with Nascar :
- 50% chance for the fast mechs to survive (or at least die last).
- ~100% for the slow mechs from both sides to die.

[Prototelis]

Armored Yokai, on 01 August 2019 - 09:23 PM, said:

The best way to beat a nascar is to make a small firing line at the edge of the map and make them come to you.

The best way to beat a nascar is to nascar harder.

[Willard Phule]

Armored Yokai, on 01 August 2019 - 09:23 PM, said:

The best way to beat a nascar is to make a small firing line at the edge of the map and make them come to you.

That works amazingly well for both Conquest and Domination.

[Comante]

Nascar or not, I can't wrap my head why "flanking" is an almost unknown tactic, yet, when someone is willful to help and support it, it can overthrow the enemy formation in a matter of minutes. Just yesterday as a stagnating situation broke up, someone listened to me and helped me carry my AHN on the left flank of the enemy, it was enough to wipe 1 mech to disrupt the stall. In the end we won 12-2 . Maybe we would have won anyway, maybe we would have lost, but attempting some move, as mech have legs, should be the norm, instead people tend to run head on and defeat the enemy just with DPS and armour points.

[Horseman]

Foxwalker, on 01 August 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

I am not necessarily a fan of NASCAR or not a fan of it. What i am sick of is the in-game Anti-NASCAR people.

Yesterday, i had several matches where someone states at the beginning, "I am not going to NASCAR!, I am too slow!"

Of course, the team is then decimated as no alternate strategy was suggested and the team essentially milled about until we were all killed off by the opposing teams aggressive NASCAR push. Happened in 2 games yesterday. 12-0 and 12-3 matches.

Really guys, an anti-strategy is not the way to go. Propose a strategy or let the lemming effect happen, at least we have a 50-50 chance if we do go the NASCAR route.


Thanks!

The worst ones are those who use "I'm too slow" / "You're going to leave me to die" as an excuse to break formation and **** off on their own to Zimbabwe (where they suffer an ignominious death by a light mech or just march into the guns of the entire opfor).

[Prototelis]

I saw a lot of 32-40 kph mechs in QP last season.

That **** it too slow. Observe better mech building.

If you're going to plant it somewhere; don't plant in a dumb spot.

Y'all should know where engagements typically take place by now; if you can't stick with it find a place outside the circle to hide and then **** butts when they pass.