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[Feral Clown]

SirSmokes, on 27 August 2019 - 07:34 PM, said:

Ok 3xrac 2 build medium get back to me and I going bug you till you do on forums don't cop out on me!

LOL.

You go Shadow Hawk and I go Bushie then. What time is good for you? I can be there after about 9pm my time until late. Oh and I am in eastern time zone. You have played CW with me before a few times.

Oh and even if you win you are still wrong about the Shadow Hawk

[The pessimistic optimist]

Feral Clown, on 27 August 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

LOL.

You go Shadow Hawk and I go Bushie then. What time is good for you? I can be there after about 9pm my time until late. Oh and I am in eastern time zone. You have played CW with me before a few times.

Oh and even if you win you are still wrong about the Shadow Hawk

Tomorrow Atlantic Canada time zone

[Feral Clown]

SirSmokes, on 27 August 2019 - 07:41 PM, said:

Tomorrow Atlantic Canada time zone

Tomorrow bad which is why I suggested weekend. Am getting a treatment in afternoon for arthritis and will be pretty nauseous (methotrexate injection).

[The pessimistic optimist]

Feral Clown, on 27 August 2019 - 07:55 PM, said:

Tomorrow bad which is why I suggested weekend. Am getting a treatment in afternoon for arthritis and will be pretty nauseous (methotrexate injection).

Just do what I do drink alcohol fixes the pain ok weekend

[Feral Clown]

SirSmokes, on 27 August 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

Just do what I do drink alcohol fixes the pain ok weekend

LOL I am allergic to alcohol dude. Every time I drink I break out in handcuffs.

Have not drank in many a moon. Pot helps though.

[Ruccus]

Both the Bushwacker and Shadow Hawk are good triple RAC2 platforms; I like the Bushwacker but don't have an issue with Shadow Hawk pilots running the same build. I also like the Bushwacker for a dual RAC5 build.

While the talk seems to be Shadow Hawk versus Bushwacker, I'd like to offer a darkhorse candidate in the Hunchback HBK-4G. While it's 5 tons less than the two main contenders, its 15% ballistic range, 25% ballistic velocity, 25% crit receiving reduction, and RT armour and structure quirks do help get the most out of the weapons.

[Feral Clown]

Ruccus, on 27 August 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

Both the Bushwacker and Shadow Hawk are good triple RAC2 platforms; I like the Bushwacker but don't have an issue with Shadow Hawk pilots running the same build. I also like the Bushwacker for a dual RAC5 build.

While the talk seems to be Shadow Hawk versus Bushwacker, I'd like to offer a darkhorse candidate in the Hunchback HBK-4G. While it's 5 tons less than the two main contenders, its 15% ballistic range, 25% ballistic velocity, 25% crit receiving reduction, and RT armour and structure quirks do help get the most out of the weapons.

Velocity is not really an issue with racs though.

[Ruccus]

Feral Clown, on 27 August 2019 - 08:36 PM, said:

Velocity is not really an issue with racs though.

I agree that velocity is probably the least significant quirk of those listed but even with its non-convergence spread being very good (on par with the SHD-2H) the HBK-4G's larger velocity quirk allows it to keep its targeting reticule on the enemy mech at a further distance without having to lead the target which allows all three weapons to retain convergence and hit the same point.

The range quirk takes the RAC2s well past 600m for full damage, the armour and structure quirks means it'll take about 90 points of damage to get through the right torso (or more with all the survival nodes) and the crit reduction means the RAC2s are likely going to be operational until you run out of ammo or die.

I've theorycrafted HBK-4G builds with a 200LFE, 210XL, and 225XL and all seem a bit slow but viable (should be fast enough with proper positioning). I haven't bothered to take my HBK-4G out in a match with RAC2s but it'd probably be a very different play style to the mech's standard AC20 build.

[Feral Clown]

Ruccus, on 27 August 2019 - 10:59 PM, said:

I agree that velocity is probably the least significant quirk of those listed but even with its non-convergence spread being very good (on par with the SHD-2H) the HBK-4G's larger velocity quirk allows it to keep its targeting reticule on the enemy mech at a further distance without having to lead the target which allows all three weapons to retain convergence and hit the same point.

The range quirk takes the RAC2s well past 600m for full damage, the armour and structure quirks means it'll take about 90 points of damage to get through the right torso (or more with all the survival nodes) and the crit reduction means the RAC2s are likely going to be operational until you run out of ammo or die.

I've theorycrafted HBK-4G builds with a 200LFE, 210XL, and 225XL and all seem a bit slow but viable (should be fast enough with proper positioning). I haven't bothered to take my HBK-4G out in a match with RAC2s but it'd probably be a very different play style to the mech's standard AC20 build.

Bad hitboxes. Lose that torso you are done. It is an even worse choice than the Shadow Hawk.

[KhanBhacKeD]

Big problem of shadowhawk is his own geometry. Easy side to pick off while he fire and don't fire. Otherwise fine mech to do racs.

Bush for his part just go for a full exposure style but quirks and geometry save his day.

So personnally think Bush > in 70% of case while shadowhawk is a bit more in a niche.


After you are just both wrong you are fighting for racs guys... (this is a free troll about that weapon wich is funny or good for damage farling but not so much effective)

[Feral Clown]

KhanBhacKeD, on 27 August 2019 - 11:34 PM, said:

Big problem of shadowhawk is his own geometry. Easy side to pick off while he fire and don't fire. Otherwise fine mech to do racs.

Bush for his part just go for a full exposure style but quirks and geometry save his day.

So personnally think Bush > in 70% of case while shadowhawk is a bit more in a niche.


After you are just both wrong you are fighting for racs guys... (this is a free troll about that weapon wich is funny or good for damage farling but not so much effective)

It's a good troll weapon for staring down bad players.

I am all over these forums saying to use uac's instead.

But if you must potato, Bushie is your potato chariot of choice.

[LordNothing]

SirSmokes, on 27 August 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:

I said medium mech did I say best assault mech ?>

ive always considered the shadow hawk a mini-assault. the mech can be rather brutal.

[ShiverMeRivets]

RACs are good weapons if you want to inflate your damage/kill numbers. Because why just kill them when you can strip every bit of armor they have before actually destroying something?

RACs are pretty lousy in most situations, except perhaps 1v1 in open terrain, or when the other guy is also a dps build with less dps or armor than you. Its main power is actually the blinding effect more than the damage.

[FRAGTAST1C]

I always felt that the lean, humanoid form makes for a great brawling profile where you can alpha strike and twist. The missile-shape does well with constant staring and nose-wiggling but the moment you get on the side of these mechs, you can dismantle them real fast. The Bushie, like the Crab, also has the weakness of having the legs far too big for its torso profile.

I'd put RACs on the X1 and go LBX + SRM for the Hawk. The odd thing about the X1 is that two RACs are very close where as one will be hovering above and slightly behind the cockpit.

Ultimately though, just use UACs. If you want RACs, put it on assaults that can also bring some extra regular ballistics like AC2s or AC5s. Pure RACs are fun and brings good damage scores but in terms of optimal performance, UACs is better.

[Sjorpha]

Bushie clearly better for 3 rac2, especially in a duel as the way to make shawq decent with racs would be to abuse the good peeking mounts to fire until you get noticed and then reposition, which can be very good but is a different and less forgiving playstyle from the Bushie.

In a duel you can easily force a full exposure face-off and the Bushie will just steamroll the shawq.

[The pessimistic optimist]

ShiverMeRivets, on 28 August 2019 - 02:28 AM, said:

RACs are good weapons if you want to inflate your damage/kill numbers. Because why just kill them when you can strip every bit of armor they have before actually destroying something?

RACs are pretty lousy in most situations, except perhaps 1v1 in open terrain, or when the other guy is also a dps build with less dps or armor than you. Its main power is actually the blinding effect more than the damage.

Practice more with the RACs you can get the damage were you want with practice and that one reason I thing Shadow Hawk is better medium for 3xrac2 because convergence near perfect damage goes were I am aimming

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

eh.. 2 cents here.

in QP, anything goes. get the shawk and do rac2, it'll do just fine.
if you're in GP or FW against halfway competent shots, take the bushie for that.

it's geo is FAR better for staring down enemies, which is what you're doing with racs.
shawk has nice shieldarms, which you don't use.

[Kubernetes]

Bushie will win in a 1v1, but I'd take the Shadowhawk for QP because better peeking mounts and JJs.

[R Valentine]

I've always found 3x RAC/2 to be unsuitable on their own. You need backup firepower to seal the deal. They will inevitably jam or force you to wait for the jam bar cool down, and they're terrible for finishing enemies off. They're good for damage farm and stripping off armor, but it's easy to twist off the damage to avoid a final blow. You 3x RAC/2 + something else. 3x RAC/2 + 4 ML, 3x RAC/2 + 2x UAC/5. 3x RAC/2 + 1 UAC/10. Something with better front load.

[lobsterhierarchy]

Feral - while I can respect your jarls list score (though it looks like an alt you play with, and capitalized on the atm eagle spam at the time based on your weight class breakdown), does 1v1’ing actually accomplish anything? Solaris 1v1 builds =/= FP or QP mechs.

I’ll come to bat for the shadowhawk with the high tight mounts for hill humping, but I know people do naturally better in the bushie.