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[Roibr54]

Hey

Came back after 2 Years and well...

First the Good

Many new Maps
New Mechs
New Technology which is very Good becasue on some Mechs Hardpoints were wasted because of Limitations or Heat Managament
Cockpit Items u can earn!!!

Old and new Bad things

1. Heat Managaement does not show exact Heat depending on Weapons; especially Heavy Lasers

2. Heavy Lasers feel weird. Their Burn Time is "WAY TOO LONG" for what u get. They are so Hot which is okay, but yeah the Burntime, wow

3. Why cant i still keep my Standard Armor when i bought Ferro Fibrus... Really still.
Ferro is an Upgrade u can buy or already have. So when u put that in, why the [Redacted] i loose my standard Armor and have to rebuy it still. This is so annoying and makes no sense. Changing back and forth costs me EVERY TIME makes no sense

4. I get Ghost Heat for no reason when shooting Heavy Lasers. I tested it on Tourmaline, becasue i always Test my builds in the Hottest Environments. I used "Warhammer IIC"
2HL and 4HMed and i get Ghost Heat for no Reason.

"When i shoot separate"

2HL = 36 Heat
4HMed = 37 Heat

now when i shoot alltogether i get to 87 Heat... What?
im pretty bad with Maths but why do i get 11 Heat extra. Im in the Ruleset of not shooting more thn 4 Meds and not more than 2 Large lasers.
Where does this Ghost Heat come from?

PGI Please fix that Ghost Heat which shouldnt be there. Its annoying.

Yes some people still love Laserboats like me. I have practically only Laserboats becasue they are Dope! But u give me a hard time here. Laser got nerved so many times and now which is the best time to pump then up, becasue we have so many scary other weapons like ATM`s it still feels underpowerd. I remember when Clanwars came out. ALl the Crazy Clans with Old School players wrecking everything. Then u nerved the Lasrs massively!

Thnx

Edited by draiocht, 29 August 2019 - 11:02 AM.
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[KhanBhacKeD]

Welcome back reibr

So to answer you a bit :

1 : heat management is a formula between heat generated on alpha and your dissipation speed... And that's all, so not a clear indicator. (edit : it's not exactly that I double check and give you the formula but I think if you keep your cursor on the mechlab it give you the formula)

2 : yeah it's long but otherwise no points to use some other weapons. (and they are still decent especially HLL with Erml)

3 : you just pay the change of it not every point of amore (they are stocked) so feel like it's the cost for men to change it.

4 : it's not ghost heat. Laser have a duration, so during burn time you dissipate heat.
So if you fire 2hll, you dissipate according to hll duration
If you fire 4hml, you dissipate according to hml duration
So if you fire both at same time you dissipate according to your longer duration (so hear HLL)

So imagine HLL give 15 heat
And hml give 10
HLL duration is 1.5
Hml duration is 1

You dissipate 4 per sec

In first case you fire 30 heat but dissipate 4*1.5 6heat during burng so 24 heat at the end
Second case you fire 40 but dissipate only 4 so 36
Last case you fire 70 but dessipate only 6.

And remember hitbar is a % of your total heat containment.

I hope I help you a bit.

Edited by KhanBhacKeD, 29 August 2019 - 06:19 AM.

[Roibr54]

KhanBhacKeD, on 29 August 2019 - 06:18 AM, said:

Welcome back reibr

So to answer you a bit :

1 : heat management is a formula between heat generated on alpha and your dissipation speed... And that's all, so not a clear indicator. (edit : it's not exactly that I double check and give you the formula but I think if you keep your cursor on the mechlab it give you the formula)

2 : yeah it's long but otherwise no points to use some other weapons. (and they are still decent especially HLL with Erml)

3 : you just pay the change of it not every point of amore (they are stocked) so feel like it's the cost for men to change it.

4 : it's not ghost heat. Laser have a duration, so during burn time you dissipate heat.
So if you fire 2hll, you dissipate according to hll duration
If you fire 4hml, you dissipate according to hml duration
So if you fire both at same time you dissipate according to your longer duration (so hear HLL)

So imagine HLL give 15 heat
And hml give 10
HLL duration is 1.5
Hml duration is 1

You dissipate 4 per sec

In first case you fire 30 heat but dissipate 4*1.5 6heat during burng so 24 heat at the end
Second case you fire 40 but dissipate only 4 so 36
Last case you fire 70 but dessipate only 6.

And remember hitbar is a % of your total heat containment.

I hope I help you a bit.

Yeah i know i pay the change which sucks... not even after all this years playing and taking a break it changed for the better...

So I have to pay extra heat to shoot all lasers together?! Thats what u saying?!
I took the heat bar from shooting either alone, I took the heat value at the highest amount it showed me when shooting.
But still sry my Math i dont see the point paying extra heat for shooting both.
I know Large have longer Burntimes, but when i shoot both alone i get 36 Heat at the max peak!?

Theres still the difference of 11 Heat im too dumb to see why when adding my HML to the party. Dissipation is one thing, but in a Alphastrike with all Lasers and simple Math i should get to 73Heat at the max peak, not 84 Heat...
Sry for my calculation, but Dissipation comes after the Lasers shoot, even when u have lasers with Longer Burntimes than others, i should not be going over the amount i got from adding both amounts of Heat together when shooting separately. Makes no sense in my eyes

Thnx anyway

[Xiphias]

Roibr54, on 29 August 2019 - 04:58 AM, said:

"When i shoot separate"

2HL = 36% Heat
4HMed = 37% Heat

now when i shoot alltogether i get to 87% Heat... What?
im pretty bad with Maths but why do i get 11 Heat extra. Im in the Ruleset of not shooting more thn 4 Meds and not more than 2 Large lasers.

Heat is being generated as you fire and also dissipated at the same time. As also mentioned your heat gauge is a percentage (%) not a total amount of heat. Firing 2 HLL generates the same amount of real heat as 4 HML (32 total). The reason you have a difference is because the HLL generates that heat over a slightly longer time (1.55s vs 1.45s) so there is more time to dissipate heat.

If you do the math, 0.1s of dissipation time is doing 1% heat (36% vs 37%, time of 1.45s vs 1.55s), so over a period of 1.5 seconds you would dissipate ~15% of the heat bar. When you fire the weapons separately you get:

2HLL 51% - 15% (10%/s * 1.55s) = 36%
4HML 51% -14% (10%/s * 1.45s) = 37%

Together:

2HLL + 4HML = 51% + 51% - 15% (10%/s * 1.55s) = 102% - ~15% = 87%

So when you fire them at the same time you reach 87% because you have are losing the extra 1.45s of dissipation time you have when you fire them separately, not because of ghost heat. If you fire all of them together and then check the heat % after 1.4 -1.5s I think that you will find that it ends up being 72%-73% as you would expect from adding the previous two percentages together.

Edited by Xiphias, 29 August 2019 - 10:14 AM.

[Roibr54]

I see thnx alot!

At least somoene with a normal and HELPFUL ANSWER!

Edited by Roibr54, 29 August 2019 - 10:53 AM.

[LordNothing]

he must have missed the part where pgi said they didnt care about mwo anymore.

but its ok you can preorder mw5 on the epic store. if you wanted to buy a mech pack, they dont make them anymore.

Edited by LordNothing, 29 August 2019 - 09:16 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

im came back after months ...first im died in my MAR in seconds against a Fafnir with double HG ...other match in my Team a Annihilator with only a RAC5 and a Single RAC2 and 7000/1000 Ammunition ...im think thats not more a Game for Fun

[Gilgamecc]

It's not extra heat, it's normal heat for what you're shooting. When you spend half the time during the same number of weapons, the amount of heat your mech can dissipate while firing will be halved. Heat sinks work constantly.