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[Peace2U]

It seems that since this event started with the 75000 match score requirement, I have noticed a lot of LRM heavy matches.
Does anyone feel it is the result of the match score requirement being too high for an average player to achieve in a reasonable amount of grinding?
What would you feel a reasonable match score requirement should be in order to allow for real life?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

wait until the second phase starts people will always go the seemingly easy route, no matter what the prerequisites are.

[Peace2U]

So the LRM rain will subside and we can again see the sun?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

After the event, yes. Or jump into your trusty COR-7A/Kit-Fox/PIR-A and laugh while the no-skillers achieve next-to-nothing.

[FRAGTAST1C]

The funny thing is, most of the people who run LRM machines are incredibly stupid and don't even fire their LRMs regularly. I mean, MRMs, SRMs, ATMs, Dakka are ALL better for damage and MS and yet, they'd rather hide, not fire their weapons and bombard buildings and terrain with their LRMs to do 300 damage.

[RickySpanish]

I had a fun stand off with an LRM Marauder II-C last night in my Warhawk. He just sat there lobbing missiles at me while I took every piece of him apart with my PPCs. My God was it satisfying. Watching him try in vane to target any specific part of my golden yellow rimmed paper doll with an ever dwindling number of functional weapon's systems was indescribably wonderful. Not that I hate lurmers - I'm building a Warhammer II-C 10 for that purpose

By the way OP, if you are seeing lots of LRMs go and equip a 'Mech with AMS and farm that ez match score.

[Nearly Dead]

Funny, I have been running my Nova Cat with 6 LRM15s not for match score, but to get my component score. My Kit Fox is more fun and more satisfying to play and gets above 250 many matches (as long as I don't get stupid early in the game and try to "scout" by blindly running into the enemy main body, machine gunning 7 mechs in the legs, and dying in a crossfire one minute in).

I can't get the 1000 -1200 damage that I can get on the Nova Cat when I play with a good team, but I also don't get singled out and eliminated with 1800 missiles left in the racks either like when I play with a non team, which is much more common.

Plus I don't see how people can stand in the back and LRM all match. If I am not with the main body, first off a pack of light mechs comes and kills me, and second I spend more time waiting for the target to lock than I do shooting. If I am in with the main body, and someone near me has ECM I can often get 2200 missiles off as fast as I can stream them. With no help, and farther back, I can cool down completely between salvos of 90 missiles because it takes that long to get a lock. That is wasted time when I am doing nothing useful. (Side issue, why do people with no ECM vote for Polar Highlands? Never mind, I know why, somebody else will have it. Except when they don't.)

IMHO, the lack of fun in QP lately is more due to no teamwork than what mechs or weapons people being.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Yeah....definitely saw more lrms than usual last night.

The good news: Lots of folks running lrms are beyond incompetent. I was in a match with and against a player running a lrm-oxide....who chain fired his lrm 5’s. His side lost every match I saw him in. His incompetence is not unique

The bad news: those who are actually good players (with direct fire) can be deity-like with the right lrm mech on the right map. I watched a talented (great with direct fire) streamer put up 1900+ damage with the cancerous lrm-Awesome on Polar last night. He laughingly admitted it was total cancer, but the 1000+ match score certainly helps one get to 75k quicker and I certainly couldn’t blame him. Was just glad he was on my side.

[CFC Conky]

I've been skilling up my COR-7A more quickly than usual so keep those lrms coming!

Edited by CFC Conky, 10 March 2020 - 08:44 AM.

[letir]

I alredy have 30+k points, without any LRM. There is certanly more AMS-wielding mechs thanks to a challenge, so LRM-boats not even that big problem.

Edited by letir, 10 March 2020 - 09:14 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

CFC Conky, on 10 March 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

I've been skilling up my COR-7A more quickly than usual so keep those lrms coming!

Seeing plenty of those as well. I even ran it a couple of matches. However, some of the Corsair pilots apparently need to remember that quad AMS doesn’t make you impervious to lasers and ballistics....and that AMS does kind of give away your position. So, you have to be combat aware. Seen a couple matches this week where the 7A pilot gets killed first or second, because he just isn’t aware of what’s happening and where he is vs. the enemy team (hint: all that AMS tells us exactly where you are).

On the plus side.....the 7A properly positioned can (in an average match) make 2-3 enemy mechs (lrm and atm) severely gimped. It isn’t the best offensive mech, but when you negate a decent bit of enemy firepower, your chances of winning generally improve.

[martian]

Peace2U, on 10 March 2020 - 02:10 AM, said:

It seems that since this event started with the 75000 match score requirement, I have noticed a lot of LRM heavy matches.

I have noticed it too, but I would say that those LRM-heavy matches are not as common as they used to be.

And I think that you do not see that many LRM-boats in higher tier games (not that Tier mean too much anyway).

Peace2U, on 10 March 2020 - 02:10 AM, said:

Does anyone feel it is the result of the match score requirement being too high for an average player to achieve in a reasonable amount of grinding?

It can be a factor.

Peace2U, on 10 March 2020 - 02:10 AM, said:

What would you feel a reasonable match score requirement should be in order to allow for real life?

I would suggest something like 50-60 000 points. I think that 75 000 is a bit too much.

[Kodyn]

There's still some stupid players out there who think LRMs are easy money/score, but they're just feeding the rest of us in our AMS mechs anyway.

I truly don't mind that so many people in this game are so incredibly stupid about actually playing this game, it provides prey for us mediocre types.

Plus it's a great way to filter out other bad players when you look for who's complaining about LRMs, because people who think they're great weapons and people who are afraid of them are in the same circle.

[LordNothing]

i got up to 15000 before i decided to give up. il come back for the damage portion of the event. of the 2 grand prize mechs that i dont already own, i like exactly zero of them. one is the mad iic-2, which is obsoleted by other variants i own and thus is pointless, the other is a zeus. not to mention i only managed to pull 35 mc in 31 bags, so this event as an mc generator is really ineffective. but its ok il show up for the damage portion of the event.

Edited by LordNothing, 10 March 2020 - 03:26 PM.

[Davegt27]

75K match score seem to be an impossible dream

so I try not to think about it

LRMs seem the same as always
pretty sure my AMS is worthless lol

all in all MWO is like the TW it was once a great legend
but now even if you do good you walk away saying "that sucked"

[CFC Conky]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 10 March 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

Seeing plenty of those as well. I even ran it a couple of matches. However, some of the Corsair pilots apparently need to remember that quad AMS doesn’t make you impervious to lasers and ballistics....

...

Have you been spectating my matches sir?

[FRAGTAST1C]

I played for 3 days and I got 40k MS. I didn't have to push myself all that much 'cause I played mostly my brawling mechs and have had a great time so far. For the the rest of the event, I can chill and pace myself and complete all of the challenges.

[Peace2U]

I have to agree with the tone here.
The 75,000 match score has caused many players to alter their play style to attempt to achieve the goal in the limited time we have to play due to insignificant things like our jobs, homes, children, church, eating, and sleeping.
I realize some players are either so good or don't have life interfering so they can play 24/7 allowing them to easily get the rewards faster.
Frag was able to get 40,000 match score in 3 days play time.
In the 2hr or so a day Life allows me to play, I have gotten less than 16,500 match score since the event started.
(told you I'm not a great pilot)
Mathematically, I might make it, but what a grind.
Peace All

[B0oN]

Reasonable match score requirement ?
Hmmm ... I´d say 150k in 14 days sounds hard, but still doable . Now that would need some serious grinding, no horsing around in derp mechs, just plain mass-dissections of enemy mechs ... sounds like it would be perfect for IS laservomit machines ^^

As for LRM´s en massé ? It´s not really my type of go-to weapon system but it´s acceptable in getting damage raked in .
Downside with LRM is still that you can´t go for component kills to take apart mechs piece by vital piece .
I can very well see why so many people are using them, it´s a point-and-click adventure that requires only positioning skill and some timing for movement and maximising damage via holding locks and ensuring all the sent volleys of LRM hit the intended target .
So, in short : easier mode for the skill-wise challenged .

The good players will farm that kind of MS with laservomitses, gauss-orgying and sophisticated dakkadakka, maybe go for the odd LRM match just for sharts and giggles before switching back into "funny-farmer-plows-the-field-to make-it-salty-and-give-more-yield"-mode with more serious equipment .

[Vellron2005]

The level od inaccuracies and LRM hating in this topic shouldn't be possible..

In other news.. My problem with the high match score requirement is that it is the same for QP and FP.. and if you play FP, it takes forever to grind that much match score, even if you do 2000+ damage with ample kills and KMDDs every match..

I'm hoping that phase 2 will make my progress faster because I sure as hell won't have time to get to 75000 MS and 250 loot bags that way..

Also, I don't know why people still dump on LRM users.. our favorite weapon system has been gutted and nerfed into the ground, basically turned into a lesser version of ATMs, with a higher arc, and I'm sorry, but if you can STILL do lots of damage, KMDDs and kills with LRMs, you're doing it right!

So keep in mind that at this point, LRM hating is just a stereotype.. LRMs aren't what they used to be at all..

It's the snipers that suck now..