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[Flyby215]

Snowhawk, on 26 July 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

Long time ago I had a loosing streak. Some Players here in the Forum have the opinion that when you have a loosing streak over several games then it's your own fault because you are the only "constant" in this Matches.
Well, the only constant in this lost Matches was that my Performance was good and I often managed to get top scores of my Team. Then I decided to compare my Teams with the data from Jarl's list and I was shocked. The Winning Team had often Players from the 90% percentile while my Team the best Players were from the 80% percentile area. Nice... isn't it?

Have you tried this recently?

Similarly I used compare matches and names against Jarl's list to get at least a vague idea of what matchmaker was doing, and, to my end at least, that matchmaker was deciding matches disproportionately unfairly.

Based on your post I was encouraged to look up some of my recent recorded matches; some were stomps and some were close and found that the distribution was... decent? In one case, a 12-2 stomp had a more equal distribution of players than a 12-8 match that included 5 reasonably-known competitive players (all on the same team, for whatever reason [matchmaker]).

I'm already down to weekends only, and even then I'm mostly withdrawing from solo drops too as I've personally found the new changes to be hurting my experience with the game. I still play with friends, in a narrow time-slot, but that's about it.

[Sjorpha]

Mechovy muzicek, on 26 July 2020 - 07:33 AM, said:

Btw. how can you find stats over time? I don't use the website extensively, and have found no way of separating the results by months or something. Thanks!

Here's your stats by season: https://leaderboard....Mechovy+muzicek

Edited by Sjorpha, 26 July 2020 - 04:49 PM.

[OmniFail]

Should't this topic be in the "Frequently Asked Questions" forum?

[Mechovy muzicek]

Thank you very much guys for the suggestion of Jarl's list - I didn't know it existed. Neat, I thought I was doing worse.

[Tarl Cabot]

Sjorpha, on 26 July 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Here's your stats by season: https://leaderboard....Mechovy+muzicek

And while logged into your account - https://mwomercs.com...le/leaderboards for the current month (season). Jarls does not show the current season/month and it is updated the 1st of each month

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 27 July 2020 - 05:36 AM.

[BTGbullseye]

Tarl Cabot, on 27 July 2020 - 05:35 AM, said:

it is updated the 1st of each month

Was updated on the 5th of this month, so it's more like they START on the first of the month.

[RicosRevenge]

I know playing in the morning hours will give me better matches,how later on in the day how worser the matches get.
Some builds work better then other builds depending the time of day this is infuriating.
Changing from a heavy to a medium will give better games,yes again depending time of day.
So what the h.......
So early in the day i'm a very good/descent player and later on i'm what you would call a noob, come on this is stupid.
Mostly i'm in the 4 best players of my team still getting down in tier.The problem even gets worse when there is a team in my group all goes to hell then.
And looking me up on jarls list forget it this is a alternive account and not my main account.
And why because somehow that jarls list has become the most holy thing people look at.

[GARION26]

Depends on your time zone.

If early morning for you is a time when a lot of players players play then matchmaker has a lot more people to work with to match on PSR. If early morning for you is a time when few players play - then maybe a mixed skill environment feels more comfortable to you if you end up with matches with lots of worse players maybe your skill set lets you take advantage of that better.

Jarls has your results by season - ignore the 'rating' and just look at the W/L ratio if nothing else. You can check your main account to see how you are doing.

[ShiverMeRivets]

While long streaks (both win and lose) are bound to happen, overall streaks are slightly more common than what is expected from pure random processes. I think that the most likely reason for this is that the teams on your next match are not independent of the teams in your previous match.

If you give the match maker 24 players and ask it to form 2 teams, it will. Then ask it to do it again and you will get the same teams - because the MM is following the same rules. Now what happens when a match is finished? 24 player queue up again for a new match. Most of them will drop with the same mech as before, and if the waiting times in the queue are short (and population small) there will not be many other player to choose from. The result is that you are likely to be teamed with some of the players you were teamed with in the last match and face some of the players you faced the last match - the outcome of the match is also more likely to be the same than not - hence, streaks.
Well, at least a bit more likely a streak than naively expected.

[TriggerHappyPacifist]

Tarl Cabot, on 26 July 2020 - 02:25 AM, said:

MM has nothing to do with it. The only real constant is you.

Sorry - I call BS on this. You are one player in 12. There is something going on here that is not, "Well, you need to suck less". Yes, a single player can carry the team, but that depends on the situation. I think strong PUG players are screwed because:

1) You are more likely as a PUG to wind up on a PUG team
2) Winners tend to live to the end of the round and re-queue together
3) Winning groups re-queue together and are more likely to be matched together
4) Something weird is going on with MM and weight limits that causes PUGs to be on the team with fewer assault mechs

I play like a team member. I play aggressively, and support my team, don't chase squirrels, share my armor, go where help is called for. I really don't care about my score or damage dealt, I want to play a team game. I guess that's just weird.

[OneTeamPlayer]

Shmoken, on 01 August 2020 - 11:36 AM, said:

I play like a team member. I play aggressively, and support my team, don't chase squirrels, share my armor, go where help is called for. I really don't care about my score or damage dealt, I want to play a team game. I guess that's just weird.

A vast majority of the players left in this game have literally no idea how to teamplay, what entails teamplay, and are incredibly proud about their ability to play a team game as strict individuals.

Golden age is over, mate. Most drop callers have long since left and with them most of the team players who make matches interesting instead of rotation world.

It's 1 versus 23 in every mode in every match now, just remember not to shoot the enemies who have blue diamonds.

[DaZur]

personally I have no hate for the Matchmaker in light of the latest PSR reset...

Since I really don't invest in a ton of play time I KNOW I'm going the have good and bad matches until I level out at the PSR tier I belong in.

After 7+ years with MWO if there is anything I've learned is "patience".

[Slothasaurus]

Snowhawk, on 26 July 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

Oh yes… I knwo this.

Here is a copy from my old text (old matchmaker solo Queue):

Long time ago I had a loosing streak. Some Players here in the Forum have the opinion that when you have a loosing streak over several games then it's your own fault because you are the only "constant" in this Matches.
Well, the only constant in this lost Matches was that my Performance was good and I often managed to get top scores of my Team. Then I decided to compare my Teams with the data from Jarl's list and I was shocked. The Winning Team had often Players from the 90% percentile while my Team the best Players were from the 80% percentile area. Nice... isn't it?

Also, there was often a clear cut in this Teams. My Team had no one from the 90% percentile area. My Question is… how can it be that there is a such a clear difference between the two Teams? Even the dumbest Matchmaker would give you by chance at least 1 top Player in your Team. But... not the matchmaker from pgi…..

There is something wrong with the matchmaker and many Players have reported this. Now I understand why Bowser and Proton (top-Players) are 3 times in the same Team (quickplay old soloqueue with no groups, and they are not syncdropping)…. it's the matchmaker who opens a game for Tier 1 Players and then fills the second Team with everything he can find, even with Tier 3 Players or below.

I have seen this as well. A day or two ago I felt like I couldn't get a win if my life depended on it. I would frequently see 1/3 or more of the players on my team getting under 100 match score. Even if using match score to judge how a player does is not a good way to judge performance in a match a person getting under 100 did basically nothing to help the team in the match.
I started checking names on Jarl's list and same thing as you noted.

[General Solo]

OneTeamPlayer, on 01 August 2020 - 12:47 PM, said:

A vast majority of the players left in this game have literally no idea how to teamplay, what entails teamplay,

Team play,
what is this team play you speak of...nvm
Its FINE! don't need no stinky team play to win 1%