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#61 w0qj

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 02:07 AM

If MWO wishes to retain many new players quickly:

Here's the rationale for MWO to consider for new payer retention: The lack of an easily accessible 4-mechbays for newcomers is yet unnecessary obstacle to surmount. 4-mechbay stable is minimum for newcomers to get a feel for MWO (4 mechbays, one for each weight class Light/Medium/Heavy/Assault.
In fact, there should be a "newcomer banner" when starting the MWO game, specifically to let newcomers know that they can get up to total of 3 new mechbays by achieving PSR Tiers 3/2/1. Again, once per account. Perhaps through the "Achievements" mechanism as another poster had already suggested.

IMHO, the MWO grinding curve is far too steep for casual new players. Many if not most casual players would drop out of MWO before they grind/achieve this minimum benchmark of 4-mechbay stable of mechs.

Should newcomers then decide stay around after achieving this minimum benchmark of 4-mechbay stable of mechs, they may well be tempted to buy some MC to buy more mechbays, and grind for even more mechs.

There are other steep obstacles to MWO newcomers besides this 4-mechbay stable issue, which are also being discussed elsewhere in this Daeron #3 thread.

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Rhetorical questions:

Q1: How many mechbays does MWO newcomers get when they start off?
And newcomers typically do not see any way of getting new mechbays without paying for MC.
In short, they see no hope of getting a 4-mechbay stable of mechs without paying.
(I myself only found out about "free" mechbays from Faction Play after two months of playing MWO, and heavily browsing MWO Forums. Sorry, from my personal "newcomer" experience, most newcomers simply won't know about Faction Play "free" mechbays).

Q2: Can newcomers participate in Faction Play (FP) quickly?
They might mistakenly think they need 4 mechbays of their "own mech to play!
I thought that also not enough mechbays, no FP. A chicken-and-egg dilemma.
Not enough mechbays = cannot grind for "free" FP mechbays.
There was no explanation anywhere that you get a free "Dropdeck" for FP.
(No explanation, get the drift?)

Q3: Would newcomers after achieving a 4-mechbay stable of mechs be more likely to stay around in MWO, and perhaps even pay for more mechbays with MC?
Yes! I would like to think so.

Q4: Would this above proposal help in MWO new player retention?
A: Yes! Hence the rationale for MWO to consider, as above.

Q5: What are you to know about this new player retention business?
A: I'm a new player in MWO, so I'm giving my opinion as an avid MWO newcomer's point of view.
(Only started seriously playing since July 2020, right after the PSR reset.)

View PostMonkey Lover, on 21 November 2020 - 03:39 PM, said:


They tried to do this in faction play. They kept giving more and more stuff away but it never worked. If the game was good , new players would spend a few bucks and buy a dozen mech bays.

Please understand I wouldn't care if they did do this but the "reward to play" system doesnt work in the long run.



View Postw0qj, on 20 November 2020 - 07:41 PM, said:

1. How about for newcomers, they get a free mechbay when they reach:
(Assuming that newcomers start at PSR 4.5 as MWO/Daeron suggested):

~Achieve PSR Tier 3: earn one (1) free mechbay, max once per account
~Achieve PSR Tier 2: earn one (1) free mechbay, max once per account
~Achieve PSR Tier 1: earn one (1) free mechbay, max once per account

They get a big fat carrot dangling in front of them, motivate them to stick around and actually learn how to improve gameplay!

2. OK, before everyone else gets upset: may I suggest that everyone else also get above (1) bonus above!

Edited by w0qj, 22 November 2020 - 04:16 AM.


#62 selfish shellfish

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 06:27 AM

View Postw0qj, on 22 November 2020 - 02:07 AM, said:

Q1: How many mechbays does MWO newcomers get when they start off?

New players start with 4 free mech bays.

View Postw0qj, on 22 November 2020 - 02:07 AM, said:

I'm a new player in MWO, so I'm giving my opinion as an avid MWO newcomer's point of view.
(Only started seriously playing since July 2020, right after the PSR reset.)

That is interesting. You have the "Legendary Founder" title so presumably your account was created in the early days. I think originally new players started with just 1 mech bay but that was changed to 4 at some point.

View Postw0qj, on 22 November 2020 - 02:07 AM, said:

specifically to let newcomers know that they can get up to total of 3 new mechbays by achieving PSR Tiers 3/2/1

Not a good idea. Tiers are not achievements or rewards under the new system. They are a way to place players in skill brackets in order to provide more enjoyable matches. Play normally and enjoy the matches at the Tier you are supposed to be in is how the system works.

That said it's a counter intuitive system. If you are not supposed to advance in Tier then why show it to the player at all? The way this should have been done would have been to leave the old Tier/exp. bar system in place and have the PSR matchmaking calculation running hidden in the background.

Edited by selfish shellfish, 22 November 2020 - 06:39 AM.


#63 selfish shellfish

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 06:50 AM

View PostBulletsponge0, on 21 November 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

Where is the section about fixing existing bugs with the game?

One could hope that they will be looking into fixing bugs too but it's just something that does not warrant a separate section. (Plenty of old posts and bug reports already.)

#64 DAEDALOS513

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 07:33 AM

View Postselfish shellfish, on 22 November 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

One could hope that they will be looking into fixing bugs too but it's just something that does not warrant a separate section. (Plenty of old posts and bug reports already.)

The same can be said about all these suggestions.. nothing really fresh here.. the whole point of this new chapter (book?) is putting the past behind and starting anew. Please set up a section for bugs as well.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 22 November 2020 - 03:29 PM.


#65 Galahad2030

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 05:33 PM

@Daeron Katz

I believe the community has exhaustively contributed to the Command Chair threads to the point where re-hashing and reiteration is happening now. Please provide feedback so we can continue conversations or progress towards a consensus on the suggestions.

My personal priority goal: Cadets need to start in tier 4.5 urgently BEFORE Steam launch.

Secondary objectives:
Refer a friend program up and running BEFORE Steam launch.
MWO bonuses for Mechwarrior 5 (MW5) Steam owners that try out MWO BEFORE Steam launch.

If I didn't stress the timing enough, a large cross-sell and growth opportunity is coming with MW5 Steam launch. Please take advantage of it.

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Posted 23 November 2020 - 08:25 AM

View PostDAEDALOS513, on 22 November 2020 - 07:33 AM, said:

.. the whole point of this new chapter (book?) is putting the past behind and starting anew.


Is it really? To me it looks more and more like "what is the minimum amount of fixes and slight adjustments we need to make to make some money with the game again?"

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Posted 23 November 2020 - 09:59 AM

View PostLockheed_, on 23 November 2020 - 08:25 AM, said:


Is it really? To me it looks more and more like "what is the minimum amount of fixes and slight adjustments we need to make to make some money with the game again?"


Eek barba durkle...





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