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[Boudro]

Scytale, on 26 July 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Have you ever pre-ordered a game?

yup and have been disappointed more often than not....and also payed a measly 30 usd for games i have play for over 5+ years.Not meant to raise any brows but take it for what it is those that have paid the founder price are biased no matter how you look at it,Just wishing and hoping for future views from the non payers that will i'm sure eventually come but sadly only after open beta.But sadly along with the ftp mentality comes the sorting through the plain whining looking for the down to earth.

[Scytale]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

yup and have been disappointed more often than not....and also payed a measly 30 usd for games i have play for over 5+ years.Not meant to raise any brows but take it for what it is those that have paid the founder price are biased no matter how you look at it,Just wishing and hoping for future views from the non payers that will i'm sure eventually come but sadly only after open beta.But sadly along with the ftp mentality comes the sorting through the plain whining looking for the down to earth.

Then you don't understand why so many founders are paying for this game. Of course we're biased - it's downright daft to expect we're not. Do you know how long it's been since a Mechwarrior game? For most people here, Mechassault doesn't count, so don't start with that. We pay *because* there's another game that at least professes to be a simulator in the same sense that the MW games were, and it's a sign the BT universe is still alive in a meaningful way. Sure, we hope it'll be good and everything, and it might not turn out that way, but that's not why so many are paying. It's showing support for a decent IP, out of which much can be made. You're perfectly entitled not to pay for it, obviously, but don't start with this "it's dumb to pay for something you haven't played yet" rubbish. It's extraordinarily shortsighted.

[genetixsparkz]

Of course founders get in first, they are basically the only ones that have been getting keys for awhile.

As to not hearing from the non founders I mean I haven't heard basically anything from anybody.
They do have gameplay footage released in for example the light/medium/heavy/assault breakdowns.

As to why they are not releasing more. To you releasing a video is strap on some fraps and go to town.

Developers have to be way more wary than that. Videos need to make sure they only show finished aspects of the game, are recorded in excellent quality. Have accompanying audio streams and are possibly touched up in photoshop etc to ensure any artifacts currently in existence are removed to prevent a bad impression.
That takes alot of development time. They also have to edit an entire engagement down to the stuff that looks cool. Possibly taking multiple fights and syncing them together and putting in transition elements so they don't suddenly switch without notice and jar the person watching.

If you edited together all the combat scenes in all the videos there is probably 30 minutes of pure combat footage in there.

I guess actually i'm a bit confused because you can see a couple minutes worth of combat. I mean the Light mech breakdown shows the kick off of the fight, the light pot shotting and jump jetting, a heavy struggling against flamers and lasers with tons of fire poured into it and shutting down and being finished off.

What exactly are you looking for that isn't in there, its the start up until some mechs get trashed with flamers, lasers, missiles, etc.

[light487]

Scytale, on 26 July 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

That's because it *is* pay-to-get-into-the beta. Founders are the ones who get into the beta. Because they showed their support by paying. When the game is released everyone will, but the game isn't released yet.

No... It's never been pay to get into beta.. what it's been is.. if you want to get guaranteed access to the Closed Beta on the 7th of August, you can pay.. if you want beta (before they started only giving out Founders beta keys for the last week or so) you can wait for a key.. and then after August 7th, at some point, I'm sure they will start to hand out more Closed Beta keys.. and then at some point after that.. around a month or so, they will make it an Open Beta.. still beta.. when everyone and their dog can get in.

Amoun Amenti, on 26 July 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Open beta isn't just around the corner. It is still Closed beta and when the 7th of August rolls around it will still be closed beta. No mention of Open beta anywhere that I've seen.

Yes.. it will be still Closed Beta on Aug 7th.. but I am thinking around 1.5 to 2 months after Aug 7th will be when the Open Beta starts

[Theodor Kling]

light487, on 26 July 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

I understand what you are saying, don't get me wrong.. it's the way you (and now others) are saying it.. like it is your god given right.. that bothers me.

Well it kinda is. If the developers want us to spend our money ( and a lot of it at that ), like they clearly do looking at that jenner video, a bit more ofinformation would be nice to base that descition on.

Scytale, on 26 July 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Have you ever pre-ordered a game?

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

yup and have been disappointed more often than not....and also payed a measly 30 usd for games i have play for over 5+ years

Same here. The only time I actually preodered something I did so because I loved the previous game in the series and it was the same developers again. And I was deeply dissapointed in the end.

[Nytefury]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Since all founders have seemingly been in game,Shouldn't the developers be pushing and showing more actual game play and what MWO is actually capable of?The lack of info on the true "beta"game is kinda disappointing..Few actual screenshots,vids or just basic information other than its MWO and blindly give your money to be a founder and beta access..You'd think the dev's would be spewing out every little bit they could to show us what in wait.But all i can find for actual footage is maybe a couple min of actual in game footage action....I know i know i know BETA BETA BETA,Seriously though,seems as though more is hidden than is shown.Sorry it's gettn late and tired of scrounging net for more official or leaked info.

Honestly people have to have patience. I know you are excited but PG will release the info etc when they are ready, the majority of founders only got in today. I am more than sure they are doing absloutely everything to get the game released ASAP. They did a great job getting the founders in almost 2 weeks early, so be assured they are not dragging their feet.

[Boudro]

@
Scytale

'but don't start with this "it's dumb to pay for something you haven't played yet" rubbish. It's extraordinarily shortsighted" Please don't put words i'm my mouth.Never did i say it any of such and it doesn't mean i have never been part of such instances.I have high hopes for this game but enjoy open minds..

[Theodor Kling]

Scytale, on 26 July 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Then you don't understand why so many founders are paying for this game. Of course we're biased - it's downright daft to expect we're not. Do you know how long it's been since a Mechwarrior game? For most people here, Mechassault doesn't count, so don't start with that. We pay *because* there's another game that at least professes to be a simulator in the same sense that the MW games were, and it's a sign the BT universe is still alive in a meaningful way. Sure, we hope it'll be good and everything, and it might not turn out that way, but that's not why so many are paying. It's showing support for a decent IP, out of which much can be made. You're perfectly entitled not to pay for it, obviously, but don't start with this "it's dumb to pay for something you haven't played yet" rubbish. It's extraordinarily shortsighted.

THIS I can understand. I obviously don´t share your opinion, but your "I pay to see it done" sounds a lot more reasonable then some other founders who just say: "it´s gonan be great" and generaly going along the "you gotta have faith" line.

[Scytale]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

@
Scytale

'but don't start with this "it's dumb to pay for something you haven't played yet" rubbish. It's extraordinarily shortsighted" Please don't put words i'm my mouth.Never did i say it any of such and it doesn't mean i have never been part of such instances.I have high hopes for this game but enjoy open minds..

I apologize - I didn't look properly. I was responding to someone who *did* say that, and when you responded to what I said to *him*, I naturally assumed you were him.

light487, on 26 July 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

No... It's never been pay to get into beta.. what it's been is.. if you want to get guaranteed access to the Closed Beta on the 7th of August, you can pay.. if you want beta (before they started only giving out Founders beta keys for the last week or so) you can wait for a key.. and then after August 7th, at some point, I'm sure they will start to hand out more Closed Beta keys.. and then at some point after that.. around a month or so, they will make it an Open Beta.. still beta.. when everyone and their dog can get in.

I understood "Early access on August 7th" to mean "if you pay this fee you get into the beta". You're right that it doesn't necessarily mean that *no one but those who pay* gets into the beta, but if you pay, you get into the beta, right? This is what I said.

[Grey Weasel]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Since all founders have seemingly been in game,Shouldn't the developers be pushing and showing more actual game play and what MWO is actually capable of?The lack of info on the true "beta"game is kinda disappointing..Few actual screenshots,vids or just basic information other than its MWO and blindly give your money to be a founder and beta access..You'd think the dev's would be spewing out every little bit they could to show us what in wait.But all i can find for actual footage is maybe a couple min of actual in game footage action....I know i know i know BETA BETA BETA,Seriously though,seems as though more is hidden than is shown.Sorry it's gettn late and tired of scrounging net for more official or leaked info.

Well, not all... I, for example, am still waiting on computer parts. No beta for me. I'm sure there are others in the same boat.

[Scytale]

Theodor Kling, on 26 July 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

THIS I can understand. I obviously don´t share your opinion, but your "I pay to see it done" sounds a lot more reasonable then some other founders who just say: "it´s gonan be great" and generaly going along the "you gotta have faith" line.

Cool man =P My rather spiky tone in that post was in response to another guy, and I don't mean to attack guys who don't pre-order in general. (Incidentally, I personally do think it's gonna be great, but that's not the only/primary reason I pre-ordered).

[Boudro]

NP just everyone musts try to be open minded from all angles good or bad and see everthing for what it is and isn't.

[Grey Weasel]

Scytale? Someone's been hitting the Dune series...

[Cepeza]

Seems like the non-founders are getting very impatient in the meanwhile.

[Theodor Kling]

Nytefury, on 26 July 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Honestly people have to have patience. I know you are excited but PG will release the info etc when they are ready, the majority of founders only got in today. I am more than sure they are doing absloutely everything to get the game released ASAP. They did a great job getting the founders in almost 2 weeks early, so be assured they are not dragging their feet.

I am not worried about that. And although I personaly think they could say a little bit more of what actually became to the plans they laid out in the dev blogs at this stage of development, the flow of info is not bad for game still in closed beta.
It´s just nowhere enough for me and a lot of others it seems to spend that kind of money.
Like Scytale said, buying a founders pack is not neccesarily about getting a great game but showing support to keep the franchise alive. But I in person don´t have enough money to spend it just like that, without knowing what I get in return.

[Dr Killinger]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

yup and have been disappointed more often than not....and also payed a measly 30 usd for games i have play for over 5+ years.Not meant to raise any brows but take it for what it is those that have paid the founder price are biased no matter how you look at it,Just wishing and hoping for future views from the non payers that will i'm sure eventually come but sadly only after open beta.But sadly along with the ftp mentality comes the sorting through the plain whining looking for the down to earth.

Theodor Kling, on 26 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I am not worried about that. And although I personaly think they could say a little bit more of what actually became to the plans they laid out in the dev blogs at this stage of development, the flow of info is not bad for game still in closed beta.
It´s just nowhere enough for me and a lot of others it seems to spend that kind of money.
Like Scytale said, buying a founders pack is not neccesarily about getting a great game but showing support to keep the franchise alive. But I in person don´t have enough money to spend it just like that, without knowing what I get in return.

A lot of the founders aren't average pre-order customers, either- they're Battletech fanatics who, like myself, have loved the franchise for nearly 20 years. If you don't want to pre-order, that's perfectly fine. But also don't expect freebies- of course people who gave PGI cash will get preferential treatment... they raised a fat load of cash with the founders program!

Edited by Dr Killinger, 26 July 2012 - 10:19 PM.

[Boudro]

Theodor Kling, on 26 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I am not worried about that. And although I personaly think they could say a little bit more of what actually became to the plans they laid out in the dev blogs at this stage of development, the flow of info is not bad for game still in closed beta.
It´s just nowhere enough for me and a lot of others it seems to spend that kind of money.
Like Scytale said, buying a founders pack is not neccesarily about getting a great game but showing support to keep the franchise alive. But I in person don´t have enough money to spend it just like that, without knowing what I get in return.

Agreed,give the average person who is not 'diehard"Fanboy"whatever ya choose to be associated with More to go ohhn ahhh over.Honey brings bees,ya know?

[Nytefury]

Boudro, on 26 July 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

Agreed,give the average person who is not 'diehard"Fanboy"whatever ya choose to be associated with More to go ohhn ahhh over.Honey brings bees,ya know?

As someone posted earlier, there isn't much more to see than what has already been posted in the media sections. You have multiple gameplay vids, map vids, and even a mechlab walkthrough. I would rather them use their time to work on getting the game out/maps/mechs/etc than spending endless hours putting out new vids of similar things.

Edited by Nytefury, 26 July 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[Boudro]

Dr Killinger, on 26 July 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

A lot of the founders aren't average pre-order customers, either- they're Battletech fanatics who, like myself, have loved the franchise for nearly 20 years. If you don't want to pre-order, that's perfectly fine. But also don't expect freebies- of course people who gave PGI cash will get preferential treatment... they raised a fat load of cash with the founders program!

Very true. But i'm quite sure there are many more that are willing to pay excess of what "founders do or ever will given the chances pre beta peeps do.Just saying give some take some.Not all should or ever have to pay to be in a pre beta for objective reasoning...

[heimloss]

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