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A Case Of "this Is What We Say", But "this Is What We Actually Do"?


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#1 Elizander

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 05:01 PM

More so than the numbers for any balance update or choice of trial mechs, I'm thinking that the problem that PGI has is deep in its inner workings right now. Whether this is internal processes/policies, company culture or internal company politics, it's becoming very clear that there is a barricade around certain areas of the game that is shielding them from external influence and it is very resistant to change.

If Jay spent months building and testing trial mechs for PGI, only to have PGI make changes on him on the last minute, not just once but twice, which effectively wastes all his efforts for a quarter of an entire year by throwing the contents out the window and keeping the plastic wrapper for show, then I'd have to say this isn't really all that much different from how many other companies treat contributors and show little respect for their effort. This isn't a knock on any specific individual. Regardless of people's positions or views inside the company, the end result belongs to PGI as a company.

The same goes for the weapon changes. Again, people spent a long time putting these things together. Whether PGI agrees or disagrees with it isn't the issue. They could always compromise and explain in simple terms why the Gulag contribution was not accepted in part or in whole. Explaining why and correlating it to the actual balance update that PGI released would just be basic courtesy for the effort these players put in to help make the game better. Yes, regardless if they are bitter vets or heavy critics of PGI, they still put in the effort to help make the game better. Emotions aside, a more professional response to not accepting most if not all of their suggested changes would have been better than a "1-day ram these new things you didn't ask for down your throat" action.

So, based on the limited information I have from the various sources, I am here to criticize PGI's processes for community and contributor interaction. Yes, PGI can just let the client-facing employees like Daeron and Matt take the brunt of the community hate and shield the actual internal decision-makers that put the final stamp on these updates. We all know that some people are hired to be the fall guys sometimes, be it customer support or community managers. We're all stupidly old adults here who have worked in companies so this isn't some magical mystery cookie.

This makes it so that people should be wary of contributing their time and effort to PGI if it involves any higher level decisions like balance or trial mechs because clearly there is a high chance that your efforts will not be, at least, treated respectfully by the internal corporate machine. Regardless of the efforts and good intentions of the client-facing employees, it's not up to them to make the final decisions.

The main issue with hiring a level designer is that he is also probably going to stop at the 'You shall not pass' point of adjusting what is within the game same as with balance and trial mechs, so because of these issues, I have no confidence that this new hire will be allowed to properly fix the maps, even if he has the ability to do so.

I don't know how PGI (as a whole and not just Daeron being told to write more community posts to put out the fires) will adjust their processes to avoid such issues in the future, but until then, be wary about contributing your time to the company.

Edited by Elizander, 16 March 2021 - 06:46 PM.


#2 PocketYoda

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 05:56 PM

Very much so but were we really surprised, they have done this before.. We shouldn't be surprised when the same outcome pops up over and over..

#3 LordBraxton

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 05:58 PM

PGI always sucks and they are a trash company. I wish I could get my money back considering they keep ruining all the things I spent money on but, I was an idiot for giving them any cash after I saw how much WORSE the game got even in beta.

MWO started as an amazing game with ****** netcode.

They sort of fixed the netcode but now the game is ugly garbage compared to the Closed Beta golden days.

#4 Lanzman

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 11:11 AM

So it turns out that they wanted player input on changes so that they could do the exact opposite of what was being asked for. Diabolical in its simplicity.

But, after the MW5 bait-and-switch, not unexpected.

#5 _Magno_

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 11:31 AM

What was the MW5 bait and switch?

#6 Avlaen

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 11:37 AM

PGI are one of the worst and most incompetent dev teams ive see. Its beyond a joke.

#7 Kalleballe

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 11:39 AM

If it walks like a duck...

https://www.psycholo...in-relationship

#8 Lanzman

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 04:50 PM

View Post_Magno_, on 17 March 2021 - 11:31 AM, said:

What was the MW5 bait and switch?

Announcing it would be available thru Steam, then once a bunch of people had done a prepurchase making a deal with Epic Game Store to only release it (initially) thru that platform instead. Double-talk and double dealing.

#9 JediPanther

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 08:28 PM

New patch is fine. Took me mere seconds to uninstall. Can't wait for the second weapon balance pass and read what weapons are killed next.

#10 Dogstar

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 01:25 AM

View PostSamial, on 16 March 2021 - 05:56 PM, said:

Very much so but were we really surprised, they have done this before.. We shouldn't be surprised when the same outcome pops up over and over..


Except that this time they promised that they would listen to the community and we believed them.

Although you're still right, they've made so many promises before and then broken them - PGI as an inherently dishonest company and we shouldn't have trusted them again.

I suggest that if you've pre-ordered the Stryker pack that you cancel it to show your displeasure. I was going to get it but now I won't.

#11 PocketYoda

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 05:21 AM

View PostDogstar, on 18 March 2021 - 01:25 AM, said:


Except that this time they promised that they would listen to the community and we believed them.

Although you're still right, they've made so many promises before and then broken them - PGI as an inherently dishonest company and we shouldn't have trusted them again.

I suggest that if you've pre-ordered the Stryker pack that you cancel it to show your displeasure. I was going to get it but now I won't.


They have been promising that for years and like a fool i still believed them again.. Stupid me......

#12 Dogstar

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 05:24 AM

View PostSamial, on 18 March 2021 - 05:21 AM, said:

They have been promising that for years and like a fool i still believed them again.. Stupid me......


Yep same here





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