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[luxebo]

I get it... it's supposed to be a "medium" light (like the adder, cougar, kit fox, etc), but it not only lacks the damage of these guys, it lacks mobility too and survivability if it wants to do decent damage. I must be missing something, maybe someone wants to shed light for me a bit on this mech (R60 in particular).

So I've tried 4 HMG 2 MPL LE 180, zombieing sorta works but you are still an urbanmech, you don't live long if you get focused and you don't have the mobility either. You also basically have no damage compared to Arctic Cheetah, Mist Lynx, Piranha, Firestarters/Fleas, not to mention the difference in mobility. If I'm comparing similar mobility, maybe Nova or Stormcrow or even Partyback with all Smalls/Micros is better, but it's just straight up worse so far I see, less firepower, less mobility, less armor.

2 LL 4 LMG XL 170- compared to Raven (2 ERLL or 2 LL/2 ML or 3 LL) this sounds not good enough. You need to facetime your enemy to deal LMG damage and it doesn't do enough with two LMG to matter. You can't even zombie now. Less firepower, less armor, less mobility.

AC20? Literally same issue, I can build a Raven 4X with some min/max viability to have an AC20 on it (enough to last me 75% of the match with ammo and have decent armor, I can consistently hit 300 damage with this, considering it's a meme brawler it's pretty good). No way that my Urbanmech will outmatch this.

...Maybe the only reason to pick this mech is to fill a faction play drop deck with a "medium" light IS for 30 tons? That's not appealing enough for me.

So is there a good build I'm missing? Maybe I need to test some PPCs or LPLs, but I think those are hitting the limit, I'm already running into constant tonnage limits with trying anything bigger than MPLs. I don't see the point so far, even though this mech seems to be rather at the top of tier lists and ppl love this mech, 360 degree rotation is not that useful and I lose every single possible trade into pretty much everything. If I play Adder instead, or Raven 4X with an AC20, or an actual medium, I can at least trade even or even win trades and secure kills consistently. Literally just today I solo killed a Hellbringer and Commando with the 4X, the Urbanmech meanwhile dies in a 1v1 to a half hp Commando while I hold down LMGs into its CT.

[martian]

Have you tried UM-R60L(S) "Snowball"? PGI gave them away in December.

[luxebo]

Didn't get it unfortunately otherwise my post would've been 2 years earlier lol

[martian]

luxebo, on 09 July 2021 - 11:27 AM, said:

Didn't get it unfortunately otherwise my post would've been 2 years earlier lol

I do not own this particular version, but what Urbie with Heavy PPC?
UM-R60

You do not have to get so close as you would with AC-20, and you avoid that Large laser burn time.

[luxebo]

I tried two LPL but it feels not great still.. idk it just lacks something.

I might try dual ER PPC or dual snubs, but that doesn't seem great either lol, it just reeks mediocracy to me. Then again 2 ER PPC on Adder didn't feel good either, hence I'm running 1 LPL 3 ER ML on Adder, but clan lasers have a different feel to them too.

Edit: I'm fine with getting close, the problem is that viability on a 30 ton light with no mobility (compared to most 30 ton lights), rather bad armor, and rather bad damage for that range comparison to SRMs or some sort of AC is not great. Raven 4X at close is fine because it has serious burst while still being min/maxed, Urbanmech can barely even function if I run an AC20, so that leaves stuff like AC10 or UAC10, but that doesn't sound good enough either. I don't have enough energy to run spam ML/SPL/MPL, and I don't have enough ballistics for MG spam either, and I don't have missile hardpoints for SRM spam. So that leaves jump sniping with PPCs or jump sniping with LL/LPL, which feels... idk it just lacks something so far. LPL does feel a bit better than going MPL MGs or something though, it just doesn't feel as good as Raven with 2 LL 2 ML or 2 ER LL.

Edited by luxebo, 09 July 2021 - 12:47 PM.

[Leone]

UM-R60

Technically it was the R60L with four small lasers instead of two medium that managed to get top damage one match during the new Canyon roll out, but the Rac 5 Urbie of any flavour is a tiny little beast. Small enough they're hard to hit normally, then add the added blinding effect of Rotary shots to the face. Just stick with the team as you're a slow mover yourself an most mech's'll target the larger threats, letting you rac freely.

Your goal shouldn't be to trade, but to back up someone else trading to get free damage in.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 09 July 2021 - 01:45 PM.

[luxebo]

:/ That build just seems so meh at best... maybe I'll try 1 RAC2 with max engine, but I think that's still sorta bad. If anything I think the 2 LPL or 2 Snub/ER PPC is the best I can squeeze out of this thing off the top of my head. Maybe the mech doesn't fit me or maybe I just feel too much of a need to do max damage every game and be able to solo kill consistently. Unless I'm getting ignored all game going RACs on the urbie sounds so bad when I cannot even consistently hit with MGs without getting cored randomly or something.

Maybe I'm riding too much of the power train that I've gotten with some of the recent mechs I got (Flea, Madcat MK2, Black Lanner, Nova Cat) these mechs just feel so much better compared to this. Flea dealing max damage every game going at 170 kph constantly with alphas far larger than anything I can squeeze out on this thing is rough. etc etc...

[Gagis]

The hero K-9 with 5MPL is one of the very best lights out there, but the other variants are a bit meh. One can do 4MPL+machine guns if I recall correctly, which is fine.

[luxebo]

Yeah maybe that's the issue that I have (I have the 2 MPL + machine guns at most variant).

[The Basilisk]

3x lighPPC does work too, single AC10 works quite well since the weapons update due to better projectile speed but you have to keep moving.

[VeeOt Dragon]

i run 3 Urbies they all do well for me

UM-K9 (1 RAC/5, 1 ML, 2 ER SLs, running LE-135 and 5 DHS)
UM-R60L(S) (1 LPL,3 ER MLs, 2 MGs, AMS (only 1/2t ammo), running LE-145 and 5 DHS)
UM-R63 (the Annoyance Urbie) (2 LPPCs, 3 HMGs (2t ammo), 1 ML, running LE-180 and 3 DHS)


none are meta but i don't think about that sot of thing, they are fun and thats all i care about. the K9 and Annoyance are my favorite. just treat them as an opportunist. take the shots you can. its a different play style than most light mechs. you have the armor to take a few shots so can be a bit more bold than in some. also you get ignored a lot of times if there is something more threatening to deal with. hell i can easily pull 400+ damage in all of my Urbies given the chance and a team that isn't completely incompetent. some can likely be converted to the R60 i think.

(also keep in mind that 2 LPPCs do the same dmg for the same heat as a regular PPC at 1t less weight and just slightly faster fire rate.)

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 28 July 2021 - 07:46 PM.

[Armchair General]

Moved to Light Mech Builds

[ThreeStooges]

Max the survival tree and you have the best IS light mech in the game for taking damage. Lfe 180 with 3 hs and weapons to suit. spls and hmgs if you want to be that anoyying little sob. Orbit a bigger mech and get out tons of damage.

[Ludo22]

I have a street cleaner with a Light 180, a medium laser, and 2x Snub PPCs that works well. I have to stay with bigger mechs and then run around causing shenanigans. It's alot of fun to blow up someone's back armor in a brawl or blow off components with the PPCs. At 95ish KPH it is still fast enough to avoid hostiles.

[luxebo]

Bit of a necro- but especially now, even though I have survivability maxed, it doesn't matter if I tank everything when I'm outputting negative damage no? Is this mech just designed to anchor and tank damage then (except the K9 which probably does ok with 5 MPL)?

I don't see why I should ever run this mech when I can just pick up a Mist Lynx, face tank multiple alphas to the CT, and continue to run around enemies for the rest of the game and do 600+ damage brainlessly holding down my fire button. (At least for the role of brawler/backstabber.)

My thoughts after this long btw is to just play like a Raven really.. except you don't have the same firepower (or maybe you do but then you are just a Raven with JJs, ehhhhh it's ok I guess). Slower, on par or less DPS, more tankiness, ehhhhh ok not bad.

Edited by luxebo, 30 August 2021 - 11:04 AM.

[VeeOt Dragon]

i have shifted my annoyance Urbi build a bit to now hold 3 LPPC. its still a shoot and move mech but does very well. use the LPPCs to chip away at armor then the MGs when you have a chance to shoot the squishy inside bits.

UM-R63 (3 LPPC, 3 MG (1 1/2t ammo), AMS (1/2t ammo) running an LE-170, 4 DHS with Endo and LFF (full armor -3 pts each leg))

i have thought about removing the AMS for more MG ammo or bigger engine though for the LE-180 i would have to remove a DHS as well

[PsionicMantis]

UM-R68

I run this variant to great effect. Its definitely an up close brawler, but i love it all the same.

[luxebo]

Yeah the missile variant might be interesting (maybe 3 LPPC narc seems pretty funny lol)

I'm running 2 LPL which is not bad tbh, the 360 torso gives a lot of shielding for the side I want which I think I need to learn to abuse more. In theory it's 2/3rds of my Thunderbolt/Shadowhawk for 35/25 tons diff respectively.