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[FLG 01]

Seelenlos, on 04 September 2021 - 10:27 AM, said:

Implementing the BHABP will not make the game bad

Nobody said that.

People were saying that it is violating the lore (which is a fact), that you can improve your skills (which is always true for everybody), that the BHAP would not help much, and that electronic warfare equipment in general could need an overhaul (which are admittedly opinions).

If this game were set in the 3080ies, I doubt anyone would complain, just like nobody complained when stuff like LTAG or LAP was introduced that helped with defeating ECM.

Lastly, something you should consider: if this game introduces the BHAP as per lore, the same lore demands the introduction of the Angel ECM. So I doubt you thought that through...

MechaGnome, on 05 September 2021 - 04:57 AM, said:

You are screaming into the wind here man, too many people here don't want the game to change because they like it as it is in their favor.. You can even tell the light mech pilots..

Noone in this thread uses lights more than any other weightclass and most have less than 20% light usage overall.
So that statement of yours is based on your precious 'feelings', not on hard facts. ...which characterizes the OP too, hence he liked your post.

[VeeOt Dragon]

i personally only use the Urbie, as far as lights go

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 05 September 2021 - 01:00 PM.

[Seelenlos]

FLG 01, on 05 September 2021 - 11:17 AM, said:

Nobody said that.

People were saying that it is violating the lore (which is a fact), that you can improve your skills (which is always true for everybody), that the BHAP would not help much, and that electronic warfare equipment in general could need an overhaul (which are admittedly opinions).

If this game were set in the 3080ies, I doubt anyone would complain, just like nobody complained when stuff like LTAG or LAP was introduced that helped with defeating ECM.

Lastly, something you should consider: if this game introduces the BHAP as per lore, the same lore demands the introduction of the Angel ECM. So I doubt you thought that through...



Noone in this thread uses lights more than any other weightclass and most have less than 20% light usage overall.
So that statement of yours is based on your precious 'feelings', not on hard facts. ...which characterizes the OP too, hence he liked your post.

I don't see any link from a Picture "https://imgur.com/ufdvxA1" to SARNA:

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https://www.sarna.ne...nd_Active_Probe


Game Rules

Bloodhound Active Probes function as a Beagle Active Probe, but can penetrate the stealth effects of Stealth Armor, Void Signature Systems, Null Signature Systems, and ECM Suites.^[1] It has a maximum range of 8 hexes,^[2] weighs 2 tons and occupies 3 critical slots.^[3] It costs 500,000 C-Bills and has a defensive Battle Value of 25.^[4]
Old Game Rules


If a 'Mech equipped with the Bloodhound Active Probe passes within 5 hexes of a hidden vehicle or 'Mech, or within 2 hexes of hidden infantry, the hidden unit is seen and placed on the mapsheet immediately. Units hidden underwater are not seen by the Bloodhound unless the Bloodhound-equipped unit is in a hex immediately adjacent to the underwater hidden unit. Bloodhounds are not affected by the Guardian ECM Suite, but are blocked by the Angel ECM Suite. The Bloodhound Probe weighs five tons and occupies two critical slots.^[5]
Availability

• Capellan Confederation^[5]
  
• ComStar^[5]
  
• Draconis Combine^[5]
  
• Federated Commonwealth^[5]
  
• Free Worlds League^[5]
  
• St. Ives Compact^[5]
  
• Word of Blake^[5

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The BHAP seems to be aviable to all Houses!
It consts a LOT and weights al LOT and takes a LOT of Slots too.

So it seems it is available to all MW also in Conan and all must be dump like in MWO and do not take it!

The only conclusion that link even in your unfavor delivers is:
The System was avialable to all from 3058 and was more and more spread till 3082 and 3094!

So was ?

It exactly mean, if you are in search of it, you can find it and buy and install it.

I am even so benevolent and say that PGI should make that available to people constantly go to Solaris 7! (for something that should be available ingame right now).

[Gagis]

Try checking out construction rules or SSW or MegaMek. You will notice that Bloodhound is on the Experimental column for all eras since its invention, along with other extremely niche items that are usually not available at all.

[FLG 01]

Seelenlos, on 06 September 2021 - 02:21 AM, said:

I don't see any link from a Picture "https://imgur.com/ufdvxA1" to SARNA:

Take a look at that picture, it is from a canon source, the IO SB.
It tells you exactly when the BHAP was available and how. 3058 is the date of the prototype, the regular production started in 3082. MWO is using regular production dates.

Also, take a look at the Angel ECM dates.

[MechNexus]

Honesty, I don't see how lore is relevant when gameplay always comes first - and as per what's been said already, bloodhound wouldn't add a whole lot to the game, and the one thing it's got going for it wouldn't really suit the game as stealth armour is riddled with downsides as is. Lore is not your shield for bad decisions.

[Castigatus]

MechNexus, on 06 September 2021 - 05:16 AM, said:

Honesty, I don't see how lore is relevant when gameplay always comes first - and as per what's been said already, bloodhound wouldn't add a whole lot to the game, and the one thing it's got going for it wouldn't really suit the game as stealth armour is riddled with downsides as is. Lore is not your shield for bad decisions.

Exactly.

If the devs were strictly adhering to the IPs lore mechs would have half the amount of armour, the quirk system wouldn't exist, and about 50% of the weapons would work completely differently. But since unlike the OP they recognised that MWO the arena mech shooter is not Battletech the tabletop wargame nor the Inner Sphere in-lore universe they've made changes they believed necessary for the sake of game balance over tabletop rules or lore adherence, which is as it should be.

[Castigatus]

MechaGnome, on 05 September 2021 - 04:57 AM, said:

You are screaming into the wind here man, too many people here don't want the game to change because they like it as it is in their favor.. You can even tell the light mech pilots..

Its all good i agree with you but as i said certain groups here butter each other up like deserts.. And attack anyone who disagrees with their little sphere of influence.

Wasting your time buddy.

I don't know why you insist on repeating something that's incredibly easy to prove as being false via a simple JARLs List stat check Mechgnome. Not to mention you were just as obstinate and stubborn when you were shown to be wrong about lights as the OP is being right now.

I'm not going to waste my time showing the reasons for that again since far too many people have repeatedly done that already, so both you and the OP need to accept it is a problem with you, not a problem with lights as a mech class or stealth armour as an equipment option.

Edited by Castigatus, 06 September 2021 - 05:48 AM.

[Seelenlos]

EXPERIMENTAL!

I AM THE ONE THEN WHO HAS THIS AS THE EXPERIMENTAL!

Simple and easy!

Who would get an experimental equipment.

The test pilot or the ones who say no I don't want that in my Mech!

So THEN it is NOT YOUR OPINION Which is NEEDED only the Pilots in a LIST who wants to have it!

ANOTHER EASY PEASY!

AND we can also make sure, all of you who posted here for NO DO NOT COME on that LIST!

IS THAT FAIR? YES!

[Castigatus]

Actually no, it isn't.

You don't get to click your fingers and demand they add something to the game that it doesn't need simply to satisfy your addiction to LORE!!.

[1453 R]

Seelenlos.

Stop f@#$ing shouting.

You're pissing people off, and frankly I'm getting pretty close to just reporting these posts. It's gone beyond cute, beyond obnoxious, and veering hard into anger-inducing.

That said, let me ask you this, since your infinite hostility has rebuffed every other attempt made by both myself and people much better than me to try and help you. Say you get your wish, and the Bloodhound Active Probe enters service next week in flagrant defiance of Piranha's glacial pace of development. Say you get your Bloodhound, and you can equip it on every 'Mech you own and lock on to all the Stealth bugs.

How does that help you?

Seriously - what does being able to lock onto the stealth bug do for you? You still can't hit it for spit. Your weapons configurations are still godawful so even if you could hit it, you can't kill it. if you can't hit it and you can't kill it, what does being able to lock onto it do? Are you just hoping that the rest of your team will drop what they're doing and ride to your rescue because you managed to provide them a red Dorito? You want the Bloodhound Active Probe so you can yell "oh noes save me from the evil stealth bug!" whilst spamming the "NEED ASSISTANCE!" button three thousand times? Because news flash - if you can lock onto it and you're in something like a Cicada, the rest of the team is going to assume that stealth bug is your problem and leave it to you to handle. Which you have actively indicated you are entirely unable to do.

So. What do you think adding the Bloodhound is actually going to do for you? Stop being a screaming ranting yaybo for five consecutive seconds and think. What capability is the Bloodhound going to give you that you will be able to exploit to solve your stealth bug problem? Your complete inability to shoot light 'Mechs doesn't go away just because you can see them.

[Seelenlos]

1453 R, on 06 September 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

Seelenlos.

Stop f@#$ing shouting.

You're pissing people off, and frankly I'm getting pretty close to just reporting these posts. It's gone beyond cute, beyond obnoxious, and veering hard into anger-inducing.

That said, let me ask you this, since your infinite hostility has rebuffed every other attempt made by both myself and people much better than me to try and help you. Say you get your wish, and the Bloodhound Active Probe enters service next week in flagrant defiance of Piranha's glacial pace of development. Say you get your Bloodhound, and you can equip it on every 'Mech you own and lock on to all the Stealth bugs.

I am not pissing people off.
You are self-pissed by the truth!

That being cleared:

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How does that help you?

Now we come to the point:

(I know all of you are now again pissed of when I write it, but the truth hurts both-sided:)

[Redacted]
Because it shows that you can not handle simple logical constructs:

1. in a PUG game you need all bonuses to survive (PUG = XXXX <- <ou know yourself what to fill here)

2. among some dumbest players in WMO (and believe me, I SAW A LOT IN WoT when I left MWO years ago, and we must be lucky to have only a few 1000 here) nearly ALL attack a light when I reveal it with ECM, so I can to 95% predict (by now even without BHAP) that this will happen the moment I am BHAP equiped, vs a Stealth Mech.

3. in Lance this will also increase my Units performance and efficiency

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Seriously - what does being able to lock onto the stealth bug do for you? You still can't hit it for spit. Your weapons configurations are still godawful so even if you could hit it, you can't kill it. if you can't hit it and you can't kill it, what does being able to lock onto it do? Are you just hoping that the rest of your team will drop what they're doing and ride to your rescue because you managed to provide them a red Dorito? You want the Bloodhound Active Probe so you can yell "oh noes save me from the evil stealth bug!" whilst spamming the "NEED ASSISTANCE!" button three thousand times? Because news flash - if you can lock onto it and you're in something like a Cicada, the rest of the team is going to assume that stealth bug is your problem and leave it to you to handle. Which you have actively indicated you are entirely unable to do.

4. I must not kill every Mech I encounter! <- THIS is your prediction <> True : <- you have other opinion -> go to a Psychologist!
(REALLY NO INSULT HERE! Even PGI would tell you that if they participate in this post and you ask them to tell you the truth).

5. Canon: if there is an equipment, even experimental, it can be implemented in the game by some random drop or competition earning! <- I have earned BHAP "by now" vs competition with you all by APRIORI

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So. What do you think adding the Bloodhound is actually going to do for you? Stop being a screaming ranting yaybo for five consecutive seconds and think. What capability is the Bloodhound going to give you that you will be able to exploit to solve your stealth bug problem? Your complete inability to shoot light 'Mechs doesn't go away just because you can see them.

Well I could bring a real-world mind-puzzle, but I censor that, as you all get it the wrong way again in your "proud"!

So then the other logical approach:

What happens if the BHAP is implemented?

What is not we see now! It is not balanced, it is fully implausible and really not worth this way in MWO.

So you can not tell it is bad or good
1., as it has not happenend
2. Not the PGI nor the Caulderon (so many of you eat from their feeds - and it seems good) has participated in the thread to say yes or no!
3. Though you are really many you are not all and a fraction of the players, and you don't AND YOU CAN'T KNOW what they like after the implementation!

So what you all tell, that it won't change a thing is REALLY NOT TRUE! NO FACTS!
It is a thing happens in your mind you want to sell for truth! No!

Though you are loud it must not be that you are right!

YOU CAN NOT PREDICT IF IT WILL CHANGE THE GAME TO BAD OR GOOD! AS IT HAS STILL NOT HAPPENED!

And to my defense I bring the fact that at the time they made the canon they saw the necessity to counter Stealth, else WTF would they talk about that sh..?

AND AS THE RIGHT OF TRUMP:
I PREDICT IT WILL HELP THE GAME TO GOOD OPPOSITE TO YOU!
(I knew Trump is good for something, Anti-Trump)

Selling predictions for real-facts, still being in a self-mind-cloud will upset any one with a little logical-sensitivity by these posts.



So BHAP will reveal the Stealth so that anyone can shoot it on help me OR at least see there is a Stealth Mech in battle-field.

Edited by Armchair General, 06 September 2021 - 09:28 AM.

[1453 R]

..cutting through all of the blathering nonsense in that reply:

Your entire reason for wanting the Bloodhound Active Probe is, indeed, to get other people to shoot stealth bugs for you because you can't do it yourself. And you would rather spew total nonsense on the forum than make the remotest possible attempt to improve your own play and abilities to make dealing with stealth bugs easier on you.

Right.

End of thread, folks. Nothing more can be accomplished here. Deuces.

[pattonesque]

Yeah like Seelenlos it’s fine if you’re having trouble with fighting stealth mechs but you’re basically screaming about how players way better than you are stupid for trying to help you. The way I got better in this game was examining my own mistakes and being introspective. You’re just looking for excuses as to why your amazing tactics keep getting you killed by heat-limited mechs with little firepower

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

You know what I'm all for it, add the Bloodhound so I can watch low skilled pugs waste even more tonnage on pointless equipment that won't improve their gameplay but will reduce the effectiveness of their mech and make it easier for me to farm them.

[Seelenlos]

Well, I wrote a long reply, the system ate it or it was deleted. Whatever:

1. Experimental: It can be used = It should then be available
2. PGI writes: BattleTech universe and canon, well then implement
3. You don't want to use it, Your and your teams SUCK not mine.

Smartness must be rewarded. And for the records and facts: Smart is me here, not you! Not that you think because you write a lot, you are also smart a lot, mostly it is vice-versa:

... you know about the thin-can and rattle I am sure, they mostly say NAY the loudest.

4. It is you who predict: it is BAD.

I say: it is good, because it has not been implemented and you are not the whole player-base, but still you try the TRUMP...

5. The canon-writers knew why they implemented that even as experimental. Nice to see you are all wiser than them ...( <- this must be the point where many of you get silence, because your smartness starts to work, else you have great internal problems )

6. It can be implemented like ECM, so there is not much of code writing. <- this can be even told by me a dumb not programmer!

7. Ask the Calderon group, if you are so enthusiast about them. (I think the matter has already been in queue).

I could bring a lot of other logical reason, but as always my posts go long and the nay-sayers are lot, years later things are exactly implemented the way I told!

So I am now bored, more important than you and this post is now USER.CFG and Crybengine.


Tschüss

[Armchair General]

This thread has gone way out of bounds for more than 10 seconds now in terms of discussion quality.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thread locked

Edited by Armchair General, 06 September 2021 - 09:45 AM.