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[JC Daxion]

Please, guys, culdron do 2 MPLs+Maching guns clan style (i forget the name of the loyal mech) But it needs a Machine gun boost,,

It's basically the IS side version of the Arctic cheeta, but it gets cooldown? For what, like a single Snub is any good? heck even double MPLs, its not worth it.

Don't believe me,, try the Jav, and then run the Clan side mech it's better in every way. Give the IS something differt outside of the damage boost it needs.. perhaps a JJ buff? Or just like all IS side, more armor?

Edited by JC Daxion, 24 October 2021 - 02:12 PM.

[Curccu]

It doesn't need much to match ACH-E, Javelin is more agile already with good hitboxes
Clan XL ofc. but halfed light mech usually dies pretty quickly after losing ST anyways
Only thing it could use IMO is extra MG ammo quirk.

[Gas Guzzler]

Can do 6 HMGs 2 SL right?

[JC Daxion]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2021 - 11:52 AM, said:

Can do 6 HMGs 2 SL right?

Yes, but the point is the ACH is just better. The mobility advantage the Jav has is tiny and barely noticebale when actually playing, But the DPS is way lower with out that ROF quirk. Just about every other machine gun mech has it but this one and why it doesn't is beyond me.

Curccu, on 24 October 2021 - 03:26 AM, said:

It doesn't need much to match ACH-E, Javelin is more agile already with good hitboxes
Clan XL ofc. but halfed light mech usually dies pretty quickly after losing ST anyways
Only thing it could use IMO is extra MG ammo quirk.

Of course it should be on par with the a clan 30 tonner. Run both and get back to me which one you do better in. ACH has very good hitboxes too, and is highly mobile, and the machine gun boats don't need operations so you can add mobility and JJ's with the tree making this thing highly mobile, it's one of the most mobile 30 tonners and more mobile than lots of the 35's.

the SRM jav and the laser boat are both far better IMO.


I even had a match where some guy was watching me and asked what was wrong with my mech, why i couldn't kill a cherried warhammer. I shot it 3 times in the CT, and had my machine guns on him the entire time and was hitting his CT. He was the one pointing it out that something was wrong. He said man, How did that thing not die, did you not crit once with those 6 MG's?


After playing about 30 matches and having my damage a good 100 points lower on average than when i ran my ACH, I checked the quirks and noticed it doesn't have an ROF quirk. It doesn't even need an ammo quirk with out it. 2 tons won't even come close to running out with out the Quirk.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Javelin hasn't been hit by a quirk pass as of yet.

[CrimsonPhantom6sg062]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2021 - 11:52 AM, said:

Can do 6 HMGs 2 SL right?

Yes, runs XL235 with adequate ammo since IS MG buff. You can run SHS to move up to XL245, at the cost of lack of flamer protection.

JC Daxion, on 24 October 2021 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yes, but the point is the ACH is just better. The mobility advantage the Jav has is tiny and barely noticebale when actually playing, But the DPS is way lower with out that ROF quirk. Just about every other machine gun mech has it but this one and why it doesn't is beyond me.

Since when did the ACH have particularly strong MG firepower? You can mount more MGs on the ACH, but you sacrifice accuracy.

Aidan Crenshaw, on 24 October 2021 - 10:27 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Javelin hasn't been hit by a quirk pass as of yet.

24th August 2021.

Minor buffs, except for missile boats which had larger buffs.



Directly comparing ACH to JVN, JVN seems to be flat-out better in almost every aspect, but ACH can run ECM. I think it is not so much that the JVN is a bad MG boat, but that the ACH is a particularly excellent MG Boat.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

CrimsonPhantom6sg062, on 25 October 2021 - 03:55 AM, said:

24th August 2021.

Minor buffs, except for missile boats which had larger buffs.



Directly comparing ACH to JVN, JVN seems to be flat-out better in almost every aspect, but ACH can run ECM. I think it is not so much that the JVN is a bad MG boat, but that the ACH is a particularly excellent MG Boat.

I stand corrected then, good.

The damage output of similar built JVN-11F resp. ACH should be identical, with a slight advantage for the JVN-11F, whereas the ACH gets ECM and a bit more jump capability.

[Curccu]

JC Daxion, on 24 October 2021 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yes, but the point is the ACH is just better. The mobility advantage the Jav has is tiny and barely noticebale when actually playing, But the DPS is way lower with out that ROF quirk. Just about every other machine gun mech has it but this one and why it doesn't is beyond me.

After playing about 30 matches and having my damage a good 100 points lower on average than when i ran my ACH, I checked the quirks and noticed it doesn't have an ROF quirk. It doesn't even need an ammo quirk with out it. 2 tons won't even come close to running out with out the Quirk.

What is your ACH build should have pretty similar if not identical DPS as 6MG 2MPL JAV
and only ACH that has ROF is ACH-SH with 2B slots and with set of 8 only.

[Nightbird]

Face hug mechs need some survival quirks to do enough damage up close, since the javelin has none it would be better off with ML and LMG to harass larger mechs when they aren't looking but fade away when they turn.

* even with ROF quirk

Edited by Nightbird, 25 October 2021 - 09:04 AM.

[Navid A1]

We'll give it a look for December.

[JC Daxion]

Navid A1, on 25 October 2021 - 11:09 AM, said:

We'll give it a look for December.

thanks...



Like i said,

The 2 MPL + 6 Machine gun build

the ACH vs Jav is about 150 less on average..





@who ever, they did a pass on javs a while back. the SRM and the laser jav are both great mechs, No clue why people don't play um more, But this one with the C-bill bonus should at least be a decent mech. as it is now if i wanna play a Dual MPL+6machine gun mech there is Zero reason for me to play the jav.

[Ravni]

It needs quite a bit more than just ROF to be relevant imo.

The heavily buffed Fury hero has worked well for me but does not feel overpowering even with massively better quirks than the Javelin: 30% ROF, 20% cooldown, 10- to 20% range, double the torso quirk bonus hitpoints & converted to armor on top of 5 tons heavier base hitpoints, clan XL with energy in CT, slightly better top speed and extra free tonnage for more JJs and/or ammo with equivalent loadout.

By comparison, the 11F only has it's smaller size and moderately better accel/decel going for it.