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[Seelenlos]

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Every day, around 21:00 to 22:00 German time the Teams I get are full of DUMB Idiots AND SUICIDE VOMIT NUMBS!

Before that nearly the MM is not-OK (the way we most of us learn to live with it).

It seems around those times the US-Guys come online and It get from mostly wins to PERMANENT LOSES !!!! 10-12 vs 1-4 !!!

MY COMPLAIN:
This must be a flaw in Code or Database.

Either you have coded "PREFERENTIAL" directly in the code (it would not wonder me)
or
The codes gets flowed when it compares my or similar statics and can not put it in the right MM-Que

=> still a kind of "PREFERENTIAL" coding.

After over 27000 MATCHES (THIS SITE whistle-blows all: https://leaderboard....rch?u=Seelenlos ) I think I am a good source of intuition to point to the FAULT in the System.

So the POINT at the END is not why it happened, but how it can be repaired!

Any workarounds?

Best Regards

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 25 January 2022 - 11:55 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

Nobody is responsible for your happiness, but you.

[Kotis77]

nevermind..

Edited by Kotis77, 24 January 2022 - 03:15 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Seelenlos, on 24 January 2022 - 03:03 PM, said:

Every day, around 21:00 to 22:00 German time the Teams I get are full of DUMB Idiots AND SUICIDE VOMIT NUMBS!

That's 3pm to 4pm in Eastern Time zone US, and 5pm to 6pm in (official) Brazil time. The latter will have people getting off work around that time, while the US time zone is a bit early for those with day jobs. But students and evening shift workers could definitely be up and gaming by then.

I'm guessing this is an influx of casual gamers, then. Steam stats might have more to say on this. Check there?

[RickySpanish]

So what you are saying is everything is fine, but then the Americans arrive and you get ground into the dirt over and over again. You lot sort of have a history of that happening don't you?

[Captain Caveman DE]

RickySpanish, on 25 January 2022 - 07:05 AM, said:

So what you are saying is everything is fine, but then the Americans arrive and you get ground into the dirt over and over again. You lot sort of have a history of that happening don't you?

please don't do that..

[redacted]

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 25 January 2022 - 11:54 PM.
quote clean-up

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Seelenlos, on 24 January 2022 - 03:03 PM, said:

Every day, around 21:00 to 22:00 German time the Teams I get are full of DUMB Idiots AND SUICIDE VOMIT NUMBS!

[...]
Any workarounds?

Best Regards

Easy. Stop playing at 22:00 and go to bed. Just like us workers do. ;-)

[Seelenlos]

[redacted]
That said, thanks to the rest.
But the answers are lacking some facts.

Anyone ever experienced that himself?

It is like from 100 to 0 for me. I have standard games (win/lose) then soddenly I am in constant losing-teams!?!?!

From my view it is as if the MM suddenly changes the algorithms!

Any way to check that out?

Regards

Aidan Crenshaw, on 25 January 2022 - 07:23 AM, said:

Easy. Stop playing at 22:00 and go to bed. Just like us workers do. ;-)

How I started playing Torchlight from my 2500 library

But that's not a solution to the game-core-problem. (OK you are right the real-core problem would be, why playing at all
KUDOS

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 25 January 2022 - 11:52 PM.

[DreadTracer]

The player base is too small for any kind of meaningful MMR. You're shouting into the abyss my friend.

[GoodTry]

DreadTracer, on 25 January 2022 - 08:10 AM, said:

The player base is too small for any kind of meaningful MMR. You're shouting into the abyss my friend.

That's really not true. To "fix matchmaker" they just need to tweak secondary match balancing, not who is in the matches. If a human looking at the screen could re-arrange players and groups on the teams to make balanced teams, then an algorithm could do it as well.

[Seelenlos]

GoodTry, on 25 January 2022 - 08:23 AM, said:

That's really not true. To "fix matchmaker" they just need to tweak secondary match balancing, not who is in the matches. If a human looking at the screen could re-arrange players and groups on the teams to make balanced teams, then an algorithm could do it as well.

I think the coder only need to look at my win/lose match-series to find the error. it can not be that a middle 3 play has 10 matches of loses!


I am dumb at coding, any of you others good in math or coding surly can find the function error I think ....

[DreadTracer]

700 concurrent steam players... not enough for any meaningful statistical balance. What we've got is about as good as its going to be.

Plus the games on life support. I'm not holding my breath for any changes beyond weapon balance and the occasional new variant for some extra $$$

Edited by DreadTracer, 25 January 2022 - 08:35 AM.

[GoodTry]

DreadTracer, on 25 January 2022 - 08:35 AM, said:

700 concurrent steam players... not enough for any meaningful statistical balance. What we've got is about as good as its going to be.

Plus the games on life support. I'm not holding my breath for any changes beyond weapon balance and the occasional new variant for some extra $$$

This makes no sense. If a human looking at the players in a match could balance the teams, why can't they improve the matchmaker to do so as well?

[feeWAIVER]

RickySpanish, on 25 January 2022 - 07:05 AM, said:

So what you are saying is everything is fine, but then the Americans arrive and you get ground into the dirt over and over again. You lot sort of have a history of that happening don't you?

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

[knight-of-ni]

GoodTry, on 25 January 2022 - 08:23 AM, said:

That's really not true. To "fix matchmaker" they just need to tweak secondary match balancing, not who is in the matches. If a human looking at the screen could re-arrange players and groups on the teams to make balanced teams, then an algorithm could do it as well.

Agreed. I've been wondering the same thing.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

knight-of-ni, on 26 January 2022 - 06:10 PM, said:

[color=#CCCCCC]GoodTry, on 25 January 2022 - 04:23 PM, said:[/color][color=#959595]

That's really not true. To "fix matchmaker" they just need to tweak secondary match balancing, not who is in the matches. If a human looking at the screen could re-arrange players and groups on the teams to make balanced teams, then an algorithm could do it as well.[/color]



[color=#959595]Agreed. I've been wondering the same thing.[/color]

you can proramming and coding thats algorithm? please join the PGI Team .PGI searched Guys like you since Years...its the simple True, thats PGI not have Coder and Programmers for it longer or EG7 now take her away.

and im seeing not a Human , im seeing many Humans ,thats all seeing the Solution for only her OWN Playstyle,With her OWN Mech,with her OWN loved Weapon, for her OWN Fun.

Im self was before 30 Years a Bloody new Player and learned , trained in Groups thats Life...learning and when im not can learn so im leave .

when you learn to fight better on the Battlefield with your Playstyle,you not must fight in a Forum for your playstyle.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 27 January 2022 - 12:17 AM.

[Saved By The Bell]

Turn off all comm channels and learn to fight alone.

[Arnetheus]

Seelenlos, on 25 January 2022 - 08:26 AM, said:

I think the coder only need to look at my win/lose match-series to find the error. it can not be that a middle 3 play has 10 matches of loses!

- Why not? A coin can land on one side 10 times in a row. Probability is low, but it can happen. Same way how somebody can win 10 matches in a row.
- As many mentioned, there's no lobby balancing. All players inside the same tier are considered equals to each other for matchmaking purposes. Which means it's pure rng who goes which team. With tier 1 having the broadest difference between it's players.
- And yes, there is ebb and flow to the quality of games played depending on the time of day. But there's no strict consensus on which hours are "good or bad" to play. Since it also depends on your playstyle and what kind of a match dynamic you prefer. Different people prefer different time zones, most don't bother though.

[pattonesque]

one of the last times I saw you in game you were running a Cicada with 2 ML, 1 MRM10, 1 LRM10, and two tags.

this is the type of build that is a drag on your team and will lose 10 matches in a row

[Captain Caveman DE]

pattonesque, on 27 January 2022 - 06:23 AM, said:

one of the last times I saw you in game you were running a Cicada with 2 ML, 1 MRM10, 1 LRM10, and two tags.

this is the type of build that is a drag on your team and will lose 10 matches in a row

at least it's .. confusing both teams?!