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[ScrapIron Prime]

D V Devnull, on 18 January 2022 - 09:56 AM, said:

How many of your Mechs did those 15 Kills cost you? Was it all done with one Mech or did it require several to get the whole batch?

Never did it with one mech, I'm sure. Perhaps two, best case. on defense, the targets come to you across a known sight line.

[LordNothing]

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 January 2022 - 03:06 PM, said:

Yeah, I've not seen in person or known a friend or unit member to get a legit 12 kill match. And there are a number of Ace of Spades holders who also got theirs when everyone disconnected and they ran around clubbing disconnected mechs.

If you're playing with someone who has a Death Star title and he carries the team, then it could definitely be legit.

ace is obtainable, you just need that one match where everyone is being passive after everyone trades away all their armor. if you play smart, you can methodically work your way through the other team mech by mech. i also have to admit it was just after the skill tree reset so everyone was still in the process of finding their tier.

its still uncanny and a bit disturbing when it happens. even if everyone is a lower tier than you in the match, its still difficult to do, because when the match has about a 3+ lead it usually snowballs from there as the other team is pretty much free kills at that point. usually that makes everyone aggressive trying to get cookies, but i guess i moved fastrer than they did (in a supernova).

Edited by LordNothing, 18 January 2022 - 03:20 PM.

[LordNothing]

ScrapIron Prime, on 18 January 2022 - 06:17 AM, said:

True, but it requires a lot of skill too.

yea but the situation still has to present itself first. that's rare (see above post). when it does you still have to be the best bot in the match (else you either die or someone else gets the kill).

[D V Devnull]

dario03, on 18 January 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

It would still be much easier to get 12 kills with one mech in faction play than in quick play. Not sure about kills but 2k+ damage with one mech isn't that uncommon, and 4k+ has been done. If you don't get focused much an energy mech can just keep playing.

ScrapIron Prime, on 18 January 2022 - 12:08 PM, said:

Never did it with one mech, I'm sure. Perhaps two, best case. on defense, the targets come to you across a known sight line.

I do understand it might be a little easier with the bunch of additional chances. I'm figuring based on my own past with Faction-based battles that it won't be anymore than maybe a 5% help in general to most players. Why? I seem to have this bad luck of people stealing the Kill right as I'm firing the final shot that should have taken it.

~D. V. "has not seen the odds of landing 8 to 12 Kills be extraordinarily better in Faction-based fighting" Devnull

[LordNothing]

i have on a few occasions filled up the skull board in fp. too bad it doesn't count.

[SharDar]

LordNothing, on 18 January 2022 - 03:15 PM, said:

ace is obtainable, you just need that one match where everyone is being passive after everyone trades away all their armor. if you play smart, you can methodically work your way through the other team mech by mech. i also have to admit it was just after the skill tree reset so everyone was still in the process of finding their tier.

its still uncanny and a bit disturbing when it happens. even if everyone is a lower tier than you in the match, its still difficult to do, because when the match has about a 3+ lead it usually snowballs from there as the other team is pretty much free kills at that point. usually that makes everyone aggressive trying to get cookies, but i guess i moved fastrer than they did (in a supernova).

I think the most likely strategy to get an Ace of Spades is to pick a mech with a high alpha and/or great range. Hide somewhere until the fight has played out and your opponents are pretty f-ed up. If you can engage them one or two at a time, you have a good chance to get the Ace of Spades. Of course, this requires that there be 8 or more enemies left and you can kill 8 of them. I posted some videos of people using this strategy. I don't advocate it, but if you really want this award then I think this is the most predictable way to get it. You will probably die more often than getting the 8 kills, but if you are a reasonably good player you should be able to get this in 10-20 matches, I'd guess.

Edit: you should probably use an assault mech with TONS of armor for this, too.

Edited by SharDar, 19 January 2022 - 11:40 AM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

SharDar, on 19 January 2022 - 11:33 AM, said:

I think the most likely strategy to get an Ace of Spades is to pick a mech with a high alpha and/or great range. Hide somewhere until the fight has played out and your opponents are pretty f-ed up. If you can engage them one or two at a time, you have a good chance to get the Ace of Spades. Of course, this requires that there be 8 or more enemies left and you can kill 8 of them. I posted some videos of people using this strategy. I don't advocate it, but if you really want this award then I think this is the most predictable way to get it. You will probably die more often than getting the 8 kills, but if you are a reasonably good player you should be able to get this in 10-20 matches, I'd guess.

Edit: you should probably use an assault mech with TONS of armor for this, too.

I've earned Ace of Spades three times, and I didn't take that approach. I participated on the flanks of the fight, getting my licks in and being lucky in not having to spend too much armor to do so. Then the team fell apart, went down fighting. I found myself last mech or two standing against a field of very damaged opponents. Using cover, I just went to work.

All these were 2 parts luck, 1 part skill. Shoot straight, manage your heat, mind your cover, and get really freaking lucky.

[LordNothing]

the flanks are the secret sauce definitely. you need to attack such that you are fighting the mechs in sequence, not all at the same time. other mechs are likely to be engaged forward and so wont help. they will also be distracted when you engage them, and you might get an alpha or two off before they notice.

if you try to trade at range to save armor, you will be grossly out of position when the snowball starts rolling. a damaged mech can slip into cover and deny you the kill shot. you need to not only be in good shape but be in the correct position.

heat management was also critical, i was in a state of what i could only describe as heat management zen. if i could do that all the time id be t1 in no time.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 January 2022 - 12:27 PM.

[SharDar]

ScrapIron Prime, on 19 January 2022 - 11:52 AM, said:

I've earned Ace of Spades three times, and I didn't take that approach. I participated on the flanks of the fight, getting my licks in and being lucky in not having to spend too much armor to do so. Then the team fell apart, went down fighting. I found myself last mech or two standing against a field of very damaged opponents. Using cover, I just went to work.

All these were 2 parts luck, 1 part skill. Shoot straight, manage your heat, mind your cover, and get really freaking lucky.

ScrapIron Prime, on 19 January 2022 - 11:52 AM, said:

I've earned Ace of Spades three times, and I didn't take that approach. I participated on the flanks of the fight, getting my licks in and being lucky in not having to spend too much armor to do so. Then the team fell apart, went down fighting. I found myself last mech or two standing against a field of very damaged opponents. Using cover, I just went to work.

All these were 2 parts luck, 1 part skill. Shoot straight, manage your heat, mind your cover, and get really freaking lucky.

I'm not saying how others have achieved that; just saying that this is a good strategy if you want that achievement. Even better would be to drop with a buddy in a pair of Annihilators and stand off on the edge of the map. Once the rest of the team is, uh, annihilated, kill the remainder of the team. Agree in advance which of you is going to get the kills and which of you is in support.

See this video for what it could look like: https://youtu.be/sbcjEGY1a5U

For even more predictable results, have an entire lance with you so that your team is very unlikely to get any kills. Then the agreed upon farmer can get the Ace of Spades. I'd be curious to see how many games this strategy would take to pay off.

Disclaimer: I do not like this kind of gameplay. I'm just showing what is possible and is being done by some players. More and more I see healthy mechs and groups of mechs hanging out on the fringes waiting for the chance to swoop in and rack up damage and kills.

[ScrapIron Prime]

SharDar, on 19 January 2022 - 02:11 PM, said:

I'm not saying how others have achieved that; just saying that this is a good strategy if you want that achievement. Even better would be to drop with a buddy in a pair of Annihilators and stand off on the edge of the map. Once the rest of the team is, uh, annihilated, kill the remainder of the team. Agree in advance which of you is going to get the kills and which of you is in support.

See this video for what it could look like: https://youtu.be/sbcjEGY1a5U

Yup, D A T A. Thought as much.

Please do keep in mind that he makes it look easy because he is an excellent player, your mileage WILL vary.

And also bear in mind that people rage against him and try to teamkill him from time to time because they're offended that they take all the risks and he reaps the rewards. You might be doing the most effective thing you can with your build, but people may resent it, so prepare for some salty players.

[SharDar]

ScrapIron Prime, on 19 January 2022 - 02:49 PM, said:

Yup, D A T A. Thought as much.

Please do keep in mind that he makes it look easy because he is an excellent player, your mileage WILL vary.

And also bear in mind that people rage against him and try to teamkill him from time to time because they're offended that they take all the risks and he reaps the rewards. You might be doing the most effective thing you can with your build, but people may resent it, so prepare for some salty players.

I'm sure there is still quite a bit of skill involved. So, DATA might be able to do this in a 3 matches or so; but someone else might need many more matches.

I guess this goes to the heart of what this game is about. If the point is to have fun, is DATA's approach any worse than any other. Clearly you can hear that he is enjoying those matches. I don't speak Italian (?), but his voice tone and laughing suggest he's having a blast!

Me, I've always been a team player. I recently retired, but the hallmark of my career was building and guiding teams of programmers in successful projects. I buy into company and team goals more easily than most and believe that they are important. I'm not comfortable succeeding at the expense of others. So, sucks to be me! 8^)

[Michael Abt]

I got my first Ace because of the very first PSR introduction couple years back. When clans were introduced into MWO they were crazy OP, but i refused to bend and give up my faithful HBK-4G(F). The result was that my overall stats took a deep dive from all the losses.

Then PSR was introduced, based on the performance of the last year. All of a sudden the game was easy mode. One month later they added that your tier is actually displayed in mechlab, and I was at the beginning of T4, so I must have been seeded in T5.

Even with my old Hunchie T4 was unbelievable easy. In that Ace match i earned it the legit way, plowing through unaware and unexperienced players.

Back then in that period I learnt first hand how devestating an experienced player in lower tiers can be, even with a sub par chasis.

Edited by Michael Abt, 19 January 2022 - 03:20 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

SharDar, on 19 January 2022 - 03:07 PM, said:

I'm sure there is still quite a bit of skill involved. So, DATA might be able to do this in a 3 matches or so; but someone else might need many more matches.

I'd be surprised if DATA doesn't also need more matches to pull one of these off. They're very showy when he does, but listen to what he's saying (in English) about haranguing folks to stay where his weapons can help. Most games, people will run off to where he cannot support the team, then his only recourse is to wait until they come to find him in a cave (or up a hill).

Still, if your accuracy is such that you can hit 75% of your shots on the body part you want to hit while on advanced zoom, this might be a decent way to pursue an Ace of Spades, yes.

[LordNothing]

id also say that if these guys didnt wipe the floor with the enemy, they would probibly have gotten in trouble for nonparticipation. so id be kind of wary of doing that repeatedly as a middle tier player.

[JumpenJack]

When I got Ace of Spades, I got 11 kills in that match. I had LRMs, med lasers, and snub nose PPC. At the longer ranges I got lucky on the LRMs, on Med through short I just aimed for kills. On the last mech I had one leg, one side torso and just the snub nosed left. He also had one leg and was firing a laser. After a lot of circling I managed to get the last shot in right before I was going to die.

It was an AMAZING match, and I was so close to getting it, legit. By..........having weapons set up for all ranges. In a Maruader 5D of all mechs.

Also it was Grim Plexus, so you can get to all your enemies a little easier their.

Edited by JumpenJack, 15 May 2025 - 01:06 PM.

[LordNothing]

the hard part is the late game feeding frenzy where you are competing more with your own team for kills than you are with the enemy. but you get people who tank so much damage and then hang back the rest of the match trying to get the survival bonus, and if both teams are doing it its an ideal match for somone with some gumption to sweep an ace or better.

Edited by LordNothing, 15 May 2025 - 03:30 PM.

[1Exitar1]

3 year old thread resurrected!

[Kamiko Kross]

Cerebus23, on 16 January 2022 - 05:02 PM, said:

Got it today, team was down 4 5 kills, i got the next 5 kills to turn the match around and win.


it was out of necessity not out of trying hard, let it come. i was angry at my teams lack of effort helped nm one of them dogging my dire whales fitting and playsyle the entire match i was racking up 5 kills and winning the game.

Welcome back to the game, saw you as retired on jarls.
Were you in a sniper whale?

[Moldur]

I *cough* know somebody who made a second account after playing the game for years. People who say tiers don't matter.. well, they kinda do. This person had never even gotten an 8 kill on his main account, as he'd gotten good over time and ended up mostly in the correct tier over the time he played.

Alt account was seal clubbing and literally within the first 5 rounds he got an 8 kill. He got closer to deathstar on his alt multiple times than he ever did on his main, all because of those first couple starting rounds before he went to T3/2.