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[1453 R]

Set up a nice gentlethem's agreement - just don't do it.

Don't vote for Domination.

Stop doing it.

Domination is far and away the worst, most awful gamemode in all of MWO - and I include defunct Escort in that. The game in general is already a ****** Internet meme of stupidity without mechanically enforcing the Moron's Bumrush and demanding that the entire fight take place inside the same stretch of 'bout two hundred meters in a coverless section of the middle of the map every single gorram game.

I know it's too much to ask that we disable every game mode save Conquest (even though competitive teams have been playing nothing but Conquest for years now). I know it's too much to ask that we care about moving. But please...can we try and drum up some support for cutting Domination? It's beyond awful, its time has come and gone, and we can all do better in our daily robit stomping by not playing Moron's Bumrush: The Gamemodening.

Edited by 1453 R, 16 January 2022 - 06:59 PM.

[RickySpanish]

I wish there were some more complex game modes, the game could really benefit from it. The knee jerk reaction would be to say "why not go to FP", but I feel there is nothing wrong with making QP more strategic. Even 5v5 solo League of Legends still has strategy to deal with. The meaning of the objectives in most MWO game modes is basically zero. With that said, I don't absolutely hate domination, I actually prefer it to straight skirmish because it forces engagement.

[Kanil]

Domination is basically tied with skirmish for most popular game mode. It's not going anywhere any time soon.

Personally, I like it. Games aren't drawn out by the last light 'mech running off to hide somewhere, and games aren't ruined by having your genius teammates waddling off with their assault 'mechs go to stand in a square instead of shooting the enemy.

Well, maybe "like" is too strong of a word -- I consider it the least bad of MWO's modes.

[MrMadguy]

Domination was created to prevent Lights, that have speed advantage, that can be countered by other Light only, from running away, hiding and wasting others' time, when they're last men standing. Overall it's even better, than Skirmish. Because Skirmish can happen at any point of map in theory only. On practice many maps are badly designed and have only 1-2 spots, where team can't be LRM/Snipe-fested within few seconds. So Skirmishes always happen at one specific sport anyway.

Overall it's Skirmish, that should be improved. We need some sort of engagement timer. If last man standing disengages for too long - he automatically loses.

Edited by MrMadguy, 16 January 2022 - 09:37 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Apparently the majority disagree with the op because domination nearly always gets picked over the other modes unless its skirmish then its a toss up. But when its incursion or conquest across from domination good luck. Hell I'd like to see escort come back. Sure it was a bit flawed but it was still something else to pick.

[B O O M E R A N G]

What do you want to play instead of domination? New domination spot chance would be nice to see. I am a biased brawler so domination almost guarantees me a decent brawl. A brawl without sniper lords at the back door : p

[HGAK47]

It really depends on what sort of map and range my mech is outfit for. When I am carrying peeps or laser pew I tend to want more drawn out battles so I pick skirmish. If im carrying close range brawly fit then I quite like domination sometimes.

I just REALLY wish the domination point was randomised or at least each map had a few domination locations that it could pick between. All of that unused space on most maps is just calling out for new domination locations.

[1453 R]

B O O M E R A N G, on 17 January 2022 - 05:04 AM, said:

What do you want to play instead of domination? New domination spot chance would be nice to see. I am a biased brawler so domination almost guarantees me a decent brawl. A brawl without sniper lords at the back door : p

If I were given my druthers?

Conquest.

If I were Russ Bullock for a day and got to pick one change to make to MWO just for me? It'd be turning every other game mode off. No Skirmish. No Assault. No Dom. No Incursion. Conquest is the only actually functional game mode in MWO, and I would happily play nothing but Conquest every time I dropped in the game. Light 'mechs, assault 'Mechs, brawlers, snipers, missiles, direct-fire, doesn't matter. I'll vote for Conquest every time, because the only way to teach godawful braindead Puglandians to STOP DOING THE MORON'S BUMRUSH(!!!) is to pick the game mode where pulling the Moron's Bumrush is a near-automatic loss. I'll play Conquest in my Marauder IICs and Stalker. I'll play it in my Night Gyr. I'll cheerfully vote for Conquest even when I dust off the ol' Warden pack Charlie Dire Whale. That thing's still got forty-eight clicks in the tank and jets, it can get where it needs to go if I'm alacritous in my movement and don't fall asleep at the wheel.

Eliminating Domination would also handily help deal with all the folks who believe that piloting a 25kph Annihilator is okay, "because it's really good in Domination!" A.) no it's not, that legless abortion is never good, you only get reasonable games in it when the enemy is bad, and B.) you're handicapping your team any time you don't get Domination. Nobody needs to keep coddling too-slow, overgunned assault 'Mech drivers that push for Domination because "light 'Mechs are cheaters!" and also "moving is cheating!" Stop piloting turrets that can't access the fight and you'd be a lot better off, you don't need a seventh autocannon more than you need a reasonable engine.

Domination is a ridiculous farce in a game that still wants to bill itself as "the thinking man's shooter." There's no thought involved. March to the circle, stand in it, die in it. Try to maneuver, try to find a superior angle? Hell, try to simply avoid standing in the wide-open killbox that is the dom point on literally every map? The team shrieks like banshees. Whole thing just drives me nuts, even when I just so happen to be in a 'Mech suited to close-quarters Idiot Fights. I don't exactly drop in Scorch to waddle into the dom point and shoot until I explode, I drop in that 'Mech to stalk through cover and maul isolated targets like the man-eating tiger it is. You can't flank in Domination. You can't end-run, you can't pull back and try to bait an enemy into more favorable ground, you can't hit-and-fade, you can't maneuver, you can't do f@#$-all except stand on Moron Mountain and die.

WHY do people like this stupid game mode so much?

[Bud Crue]

Kanil, on 16 January 2022 - 09:12 PM, said:

Domination is basically tied with skirmish for most popular game mode. It's not going anywhere any time soon.

Meep Meep, on 16 January 2022 - 10:43 PM, said:

Apparently the majority disagree with the op because domination nearly always gets picked over the other modes unless its skirmish then its a toss up. But when its incursion or conquest across from domination good luck. Hell I'd like to see escort come back. Sure it was a bit flawed but it was still something else to pick.

This has not been my experience at all. Domination has been so rarely picked, that when I play, I still occasionally find myself thinking things like: "huh, I didn't even know Grim had domination as an option", etc. For years, I never realized that old HPG had a domination option. I play a couple hours a day most days and very rarely do I see it get picked more than once a night, if at all.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Domination would be fine if it didn't force you to play in the same location all the time. If each map had 3 different spots for the Domination circle (and 3 corresponding sets of drop locations) you'd see a LOT more of each map being used.

[Kanil]

1453 R, on 17 January 2022 - 06:44 AM, said:

I'll vote for Conquest every time, because the only way to teach godawful braindead Puglandians to STOP DOING THE MORON'S BUMRUSH(!!!) is to pick the game mode where pulling the Moron's Bumrush is a near-automatic loss.

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WHY do people like this stupid game mode so much?

I don't know what you consider the "moron's bumrush" to be, but in my experience domination basically features both teams walking to the big circle in the middle and shooting it out for a while, at which point the team that was better at shooting wins.

In my experience conquest basically features both teams walking to the center conquest point in the middle (usually in the same place as the domination circle) and shooting it out for a while, at which point the team that was better at shooting wins like 90-95% of the time.

There's extremely little difference in how the two game modes play out, if you ask me. Of course, this applies for literally all of MWO's modes, they all devolve into going to the middle and killing the other team. A couple of them have some objectives which usually only serve as distractions for newer players.

Bud Crue, on 17 January 2022 - 07:15 AM, said:

This has not been my experience at all. Domination has been so rarely picked, that when I play, I still occasionally find myself thinking things like: "huh, I didn't even know Grim had domination as an option", etc. For years, I never realized that old HPG had a domination option. I play a couple hours a day most days and very rarely do I see it get picked more than once a night, if at all.

That's interesting. In my 500-ish games of tracking it a couple years ago, domination was basically neck and neck with skirmish, and vastly more popular than the other modes.

In a much smaller but more recent sample size, in the last three months I've played domination 41 times, skirmish 37, assault 30! times, conquest 8, and incursion once. Assault is a lot more popular lately than I'd expected, but I still feel calling domination "basically tied for most popular mode" to be a fair statement.

[Bamboozle Gold]

Domination is the best game mode. I play the game to shoot at robbits, not run around capping points.

[Bud Crue]

Kanil, on 17 January 2022 - 11:00 AM, said:

That's interesting. In my 500-ish games of tracking it a couple years ago, domination was basically neck and neck with skirmish, and vastly more popular than the other modes.

In a much smaller but more recent sample size, in the last three months I've played domination 41 times, skirmish 37, assault 30! times, conquest 8, and incursion once. Assault is a lot more popular lately than I'd expected, but I still feel calling domination "basically tied for most popular mode" to be a fair statement.

Perhaps it is different playing times? I play from 6-8 CST, UTC -6, and it just rarely gets voted for in my experience. Coincidentally/ironically, yesterday it was voted for twice in those two hours which made others I drop with mention the fact that it was odd to see domination win the vote "this frequently". I would say Skirmish is by far and away the most frequently voted for, with conquest right behind, then assault (god, how I hate Frozen, Assault), with domination a distant fourth.

[Meep Meep]

The bulk of my play is 12am to 6am est so I get a lot of EU matches. Maybe they like domination more than the NA crowd?

[1453 R]

The "Moron's Bumrush" is when a team spawns at match start, bolts at its highest* possible speed for the center of the map, and proceeds to stand in the center of the map and die like a bunch of raging idiots because not a single cotton-swabbing one of them has the brains God gave a pailful of rutabagas and they have absolutely no ability to think, plan, or reason fruther than "FIND ROBIT SHOOT ROBIT." So they flock to the nearest red Dorito like fish chasing a lure, boldly headbutt the enemy firing line and explode with a whopping twenty points of damage to their name, and then proceed to spend the next five minutes cussing out the rest of the team for not wishing upon a star hard enough for them to get their Kai Allard-Liao moment.

It is the standard operating procedure for any and all Quick Play drops, and it takes superhuman effort and a great deal of very fast nat-20 Persuasion rolls to convince a group not to do the Moron's Bumrush. I have largely given up trying, because any time you do, only about half the team listens while the other half rushes off like Morons to a Bum, dies in a hail of weapons fire, and then says "MAN WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN NICE IF THE WHOLE TEAM HAD BEEN HERE WITH ME SO I DIDN'T DIE FROM HEADBUTTING AN ENEMY FIRING LINE". At this point I just resign myself to it, knowing that the only reason we have any damn chance whatsoever is because the enemy team is also Moron's Bumrushing as hard as they possibly can, because ThInKiNg MaN's ShOoTeR, and any form of tactical thought or skill won't be involved at all. It'll all come down to a series of random coin flips and whether or not either team has one guy on it capable of carrying an engagement or two.

Conquest is the only time teams don't immediately, automatically Moron's Bumrush, because even the dumbest of bum sniffers can usually comprehend that if you leave the cap 1 to 4 by parking on Theta and refusing to move, you lose by default. Though these days even that is becoming less certain, as the "Wisdom" of "You win Conquest by Moron's Bumrushing Theta, winning the Theta fight, and then spreading to cap!" is gaining ground despite being OBJECTIVELY FALSE. Nevertheless - the occasional disruption of the Moron's Bumrush is why I cherish what few Conquest matches I get, and the mechanical enforcement of Moron's Bumrush is why I've basically stopped caring about Domination.

Nobody, nobody, nobody "wins" a Domination match. There is no victory in Domination. Everyone involved in a Domination match loses the instant Domination is locked in. There is merely defeat and worse defeat. There is no such thing as victory.

[Bassault]

NOPE. Seethe more, sniper. I will always vote Domination until I die. You will come to the circle at the end of the game for me to kill you, or you will lose. I will not chase you for 30 minutes as you kite us with gauss, and I will not do the same for your last shadowcat and/or light mech. You get in firing range, and you feed me.

[R0gal D0rn]

Ok, i dont know if you have another accounts out of tier 4, 1453R but i think that your opinion is heavily biaised by the tier you usually play. To start with, there is no need at all of "All the team walking in the circle". Nope. It´s enogh with 1 guy inside, and as far as some enemy mech is receiving damage, the enemy counter stills not progresing at all. You only have to go to FP and see how domination is played by experienced players. Some light inside the circle.., maybe some brawler to protect him, and everybody in the strategic sniper nests trading with ERL, Gauss and PPC.

In QP the most part of the time domination means a "fast and furious" reduced radius Nascar. But this is far from boring the most part of the time.

I feel that 90 per cent of your critics are against the usual potato players, but this is not the fault of the mode but an issue with the loooooooong learning curve needed for an average player to reach some proficiency in the game. The tools to enjoy Domination games are there, but it takes some time to figure how to do it.
But we can discuss about it

Edited by Tirant Lo Blanc, 17 January 2022 - 07:07 PM.

[1453 R]

I LOVE ANNIHILATORS, on 17 January 2022 - 06:49 PM, said:

NOPE. Seethe more, sniper. I will always vote Domination until I die. You will come to the circle at the end of the game for me to kill you, or you will lose. I will not chase you for 30 minutes as you kite us with gauss, and I will not do the same for your last shadowcat and/or light mech. You get in firing range, and you feed me.

Heh. Has nothing to do with sniping. I rarely snipe. What I do like to do is flank, skirmish, and seek fluid battles of maneuver rather than just crashing tender bits-first into the enemy firing line. Games where two big groups of overgunned, under-engined assault 'Mechs slowly grind away at each other over the course of tennish minutes without EVER moving, repositioning, or trying to seek better ground are Iceberg Fights, and being stuck in an Iceberg Fight is only slightly more fun than a back-alley colonoscopy.

Even when I'm in the slowest assault 'Mechs in my garage, I'm always looking for better ground and ways to not be where the enemy is pointing their guns. Save on Domination, where that's simply not feasible. Which, I get it. You pilot a twenty-five KPH assemblage of too many autocannons and games where people are always moving, always repositioning, always trying to be in the spot you least want them are real hard on you. Heh, but realistically? That's the price you pay for not bothering to instal things like an engine, or knees, or throttle controls, in your 'Mech to make room for extra autocannons. Why should you not have to deal with the consequences of your glacial lack of mobility, ne?

[Bassault]

1453 R, on 17 January 2022 - 07:20 PM, said:

Heh. Has nothing to do with sniping. I rarely snipe. What I do like to do is flank, skirmish, and seek fluid battles of maneuver rather than just crashing tender bits-first into the enemy firing line. Games where two big groups of overgunned, under-engined assault 'Mechs slowly grind away at each other over the course of tennish minutes without EVER moving, repositioning, or trying to seek better ground are Iceberg Fights, and being stuck in an Iceberg Fight is only slightly more fun than a back-alley colonoscopy.

Even when I'm in the slowest assault 'Mechs in my garage, I'm always looking for better ground and ways to not be where the enemy is pointing their guns. Save on Domination, where that's simply not feasible. Which, I get it. You pilot a twenty-five KPH assemblage of too many autocannons and games where people are always moving, always repositioning, always trying to be in the spot you least want them are real hard on you. Heh, but realistically? That's the price you pay for not bothering to instal things like an engine, or knees, or throttle controls, in your 'Mech to make room for extra autocannons. Why should you not have to deal with the consequences of your glacial lack of mobility, ne?

Ok so now it sounds like you just like to NASCAR nonstop. And on domination it's very feasible, you can fight outside of the circle just fine, get 1 light or a small team in there, and fight like normal. Think canyon on D5, you can fight there and go in the circle and shoot into the circle. It seems like you just have clueless teammates or you got Frozen ******, one of the worst maps in the game.

[PocketYoda]

1453 R, on 16 January 2022 - 06:59 PM, said:

Set up a nice gentlethem's agreement - just don't do it.

Don't vote for Domination.

Stop doing it.

Domination is far and away the worst, most awful gamemode in all of MWO - and I include defunct Escort in that. The game in general is already a ****** Internet meme of stupidity without mechanically enforcing the Moron's Bumrush and demanding that the entire fight take place inside the same stretch of 'bout two hundred meters in a coverless section of the middle of the map every single gorram game.

I know it's too much to ask that we disable every game mode save Conquest (even though competitive teams have been playing nothing but Conquest for years now). I know it's too much to ask that we care about moving. But please...can we try and drum up some support for cutting Domination? It's beyond awful, its time has come and gone, and we can all do better in our daily robit stomping by not playing Moron's Bumrush: The Gamemodening.

I hate Domination.. but i hate Conquest even more and i hate Incursion even more than both, so its the lesser of all evils in my case..

Also Domination would be fine if the maps supported it better.. And as a slow Assault pilot Conquest is cancer..

Edited by Nomad Tech, 17 January 2022 - 08:10 PM.