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[TheRealKaiAllard]

Come on now. We know this guy is a troll just for the fact that he says Piranha's are shooting at his legs. We don't do that. We shoot twice at center torso rear. After that mech drops, we move on to the next. LOL. "Leg shooting Piranhas". It's our legs that get shot off if anything.

[martian]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 04 March 2022 - 04:13 PM, said:

....
and here's the solution: since it's OBVIOUS how good that piranha is, just play it yourself and enjoy that "easy-mode".
next stop: ace of spades and deathstar, right?

From some reason, those people never do that ....

[Hunka Junk]

The Process

1. OP's LRMboat gets rekt by a Piranha.

2. OP decides to get a piranha to join in on this "easy mode" just like he did with the LRMboat.

3. OP gets deleted in the first 3 minutes of the match with less than 100 damage done.

4. OP hops on the forums to declare how unfair lights are.

[D A T A]

i agree that some MG based mechs are atm punching way above their weight, i ahve been saying this since cauldron day 1, but unfortunatelly i am minority inside the cauldron and most of the others are just fine with this situation......while to me this situation is unacceptable

On the other hand implementing those rules would nerf lights into the ground, and that's not acceptable as well.
The way i see it MGs should lose some dps or some crit chance

Edited by D A T A, 05 March 2022 - 03:42 PM.

[Seelenlos]

[redacted]


To the few posts giving some meaning:

- ThreeStooges - seems you know exactly what I mean - thx for sharing!

D A T A, on 05 March 2022 - 03:32 PM, said:

i agree that some MG based mechs are at the moment punching way above their weight, i have been saying this since cauldron day 1, but unfortunately i am minority inside the cauldron and most of the others are just fine with this situation......while to me this situation is unacceptable

On the other hand implementing those rules would nerf lights into the ground, and that's not acceptable as well.
The way i see it MGs should lose some dps or some crit chance

Thx for reasoning but that reasoning is also wrong.

You imply that lights would be nerfed, THEY SHOULD BE. THEY ARE LIGHTS IN THE ******* BATTLETECH-GROUND.

THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ROLES:
1. SCOUTING FIRST <> FIGHTING FIRST
2. SUPPORTING
3. DAMAGE DEALING WHEN THE OTHER CLASSES ARE AT EACH OTHER THROAT.

Else paperwork!

By the reasoning of that It would mean that an AC5 must give damage of 20, AC10 by 50 and AC20 By 100 vs any other Mechs in meelee, IF we imply that every ammo of a light has 1 damage point = 6000 Damages !!!!

THAT does not equals each other.
Specially when the game has been "tweaked" that it rarly registers a full AC or Laser blow on a light Mech!
For lights the MG is fully counted hit or miss!

It is not that they also have the penalty of graze!

You can not give a mech-class 2 bonuses at a time:
- Get-Hit-Bonus and
- Damage-Bonus
AND
at the same time give them Perks like Damage-Reduction Fall and Collision !!!

This is fully IMBA. And there is exactly NONE-Reason to excuse BESIDES you have the POWER TO CHOOSE THAT!

(Rreminds me of NATO and PUTIN - Both wrong, but both only have the power to choose, no one else! Rest have to swollow the choice!)

If you understand the point!

It is not fun! The risk must be for both sides in an MMO game!

Regards

Edited by Armchair General, 06 March 2022 - 12:14 AM.
Post cleanup

[Andrewlik]

"THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ROLES:
1. SCOUTING FIRST <> FIGHTING FIRST
2. SUPPORTING
3. DAMAGE DEALING WHEN THE OTHER CLASSES ARE AT EACH OTHER THROAT."

This is the only thing you have relatively correct in your post. It's just - light mechs already do all this
Additionally as apart of 3, they should be good for finishing off isolated or wounded targets with a twist of the knife.
Which is exactly what happened to you and what caused you to write this post.

Also, how dare you ignore my post regarding the CICADA the most BROKENLY OVERPOWERED KECH IN THE GAME because they're basically light mechs but with a mediums worth of tonnage!1!1!1!1!1

[ThreeStooges]

Seelenlos, on 05 March 2022 - 04:56 PM, said:

Actually I was making fun of all the insert mech op threads in part. While certain very specific lights are op due to their insane dps those few lights are outliers while the vast majority of light mechs really do suck to the point where they can't even fight against their own weight class. Look at any of the light op threads and you will see the exact same chaissis and very simular builds.

pir-1
fle-17/19
pir-? the laser vomit one
lct-pb

That's about six of the 120 light mechs in the game in total. 114 lights that never or very rarely get used because THEY SUCK except for those lucky OP SIX. Name any one posting this past month with the claim that the jr7-d or the sdr-5v is op. NO one is. Because those two mechs suck along with the other 112 unused lights.

[Seelenlos]

Andrewlik, on 05 March 2022 - 05:15 PM, said:

"THEY HAVE SPECIFIC ROLES:
1. SCOUTING FIRST <> FIGHTING FIRST
2. SUPPORTING
3. DAMAGE DEALING WHEN THE OTHER CLASSES ARE AT EACH OTHER THROAT."

This is the only thing you have relatively correct in your post. It's just - light mechs already do all this
Additionally as apart of 3, they should be good for finishing off isolated or wounded targets with a twist of the knife.
Which is exactly what happened to you and what caused you to write this post.

Also, how dare you ignore my post regarding the CICADA the most BROKENLY OVERPOWERED KECH IN THE GAME because they're basically light mechs but with a mediums worth of tonnage!1!1!1!1!1

Your video ended in a music-clip. send again!

All Cicadas has good roles. Cicada is not really a problem. When u do that, you are playing exactly the role of the Cica Hit and Run!

Edited by Seelenlos, 05 March 2022 - 05:46 PM.

[pattonesque]

Seelenlos, on 05 March 2022 - 05:32 PM, said:

Cicada is not realy a problem. and your video ended in a music-clip. send again!

the last time I saw you in a Cicada, it had 2 ML/1 LRM10/1 MRM10/2 TAG, which is a build that will lose to *every single other properly built chassis in the game*

so your Cicadas are certainly not a problem

[Seelenlos]

ThreeStooges, on 05 March 2022 - 05:18 PM, said:

Actually I was making fun of all the insert mech op threads in part. While certain very specific lights are op due to their insane dps those few lights are outliers while the vast majority of light mechs really do suck to the point where they can't even fight against their own weight class. Look at any of the light op threads and you will see the exact same chaissis and very simular builds.

pir-1
fle-17/19
pir-? the laser vomit one
lct-pb

That's about six of the 120 light mechs in the game in total. 114 lights that never or very rarely get used because THEY SUCK except for those lucky OP SIX. Name any one posting this past month with the claim that the jr7-d or the sdr-5v is op. NO one is. Because those two mechs suck along with the other 112 unused lights.

Then it is EITHER pay-to-win (whatever) or IMBA by desire.
And if there are 1000 light-Mechs and only 3 are good, you think after the while other will be played?
That is the other side of IMBAing things!


AH and IMBAing:

EVERY IMBAing has also a certain bad trait, which we have not with these Mechs!!!

Edited by Seelenlos, 05 March 2022 - 05:53 PM.

[Seelenlos]

pattonesque, on 05 March 2022 - 05:34 PM, said:

the last time I saw you in a Cicada, it had 2 ML/1 LRM10/1 MRM10/2 TAG, which is a build that will lose to *every single other properly built chassis in the game*

so your Cicadas are certainly not a problem

I know, you mentioned that.
And I told you: You do not get the point, WHY I do that!

So do not try to connect a build with your picture of a Build, the reason behind the scene will still not unfold to you.

Oh and I had the BUILDS in your minds years back and came to this conclusions.

[Seelenlos]

ambosen, on 04 March 2022 - 04:09 PM, said:

Ah c'mon, he's just mad because he's never been on the armor made of wet tissue paper, legs made of glass with hidden cracks anything that manages to look at you funny will kill you pretty much instantly so you'd better learn how to move in the most unpredictable manner possible and do everything you can to limit targets firing back at you as much as possible becaused otherwise you are completely and utterly screwed side.

Also known as running a pihrana 1. And I'm not just saying that because I've killed a lot more of them then I've scored kills in. I'm saying that because effectively playing lights in general relies on a degree of coordination and communication in a team not often found in the game anymore. Doesn't matter if you somehow get right into their atlas' back and tear it open if there's noone to take advantage of the chaos it can cause.

AND this post is nearly telling it all:
They are so derp, they reduce armor BECAUSE they lend on lag-shield and take more and/or heavier weapons!

HEY DERP, no one tells you to take a PPC or AT BEST 3 PPC in a light Mech!
IT IS YOU AND ONLY YOU AND YOUR ******* WRONG CHOISE LENDING ON GAME MECHANICS AND NOT THE STD -APPROACH of building a sustainable Mech!

You hand your BRAINS and go in MECHLAB is not my problem and I AM ABOUT TO MAKE THAT SURE IN THIS POST!


You can also make a Light Mech with less weapons and "other" tools to play! YOU DONT WANT, YOUR BAD BRAINLESS CHOICE!

Edited by Seelenlos, 05 March 2022 - 06:05 PM.

[pattonesque]

Seelenlos, on 05 March 2022 - 05:51 PM, said:

I know, you mentioned that.
And I told you: You do not get the point, WHY I do that!

So do not try to connect a build with your picture of a Build, the reason behind the scene will still not unfold to you.

Oh and I had the BUILDS in your minds years back and came to this conclusions.

you keep complaining about light mechs killing you. The reason they are killing you is not that they are OP, it is because you

a. are not good at aiming

and, specifically relevant here

b. have terrible builds

if that's how you build a mech, in such a way that it cannot do meaningful damage in any role, that's the issue. you keep insisting it isn't, but it is.

[Andrewlik]

pattonesque, on 05 March 2022 - 06:21 PM, said:

you keep complaining about light mechs killing you. The reason they are killing you is not that they are OP, it is because you

a. are not good at aiming

and, specifically relevant here

b. have terrible builds

if that's how you build a mech, in such a way that it cannot do meaningful damage in any role, that's the issue. you keep insisting it isn't, but it is.

This guy is either trolling or too stupid for it to take serious advice, so it's not worth contributing to this thread unless you wanna poke the bear some more (which to be fair, is kind of fun)

[Andrewlik]

Actually, OP, all anger and trolling aside, how about you set a time and I'll hop in a discord call with you. You seem to be struggling with some basics, and that's fine, we all sucked at one point or another. I think I can teach you a thing or two, some basics about team cohesion and mech building.
And though I may not be able to teach you to aim, I would be able to show you both how fragile light mechs are when you hit them as well as queue together in 2 light mechs so I can teach you what I know.
Feel free to take a flea or pirnaha or whatever you feel is strong, I'll take either my locust, ubrie, flea or cicada and we'll go anklebiting together.

Edited by Andrewlik, 05 March 2022 - 06:35 PM.

[Seelenlos]

pattonesque, on 05 March 2022 - 06:21 PM, said:

you keep complaining about light mechs killing you. The reason they are killing you is not that they are OP, it is because you

a. are not good at aiming

and, specifically relevant here

b. have terrible builds

if that's how you build a mech, in such a way that it cannot do meaningful damage in any role, that's the issue. you keep insisting it isn't, but it is.

A. Good at aiming mostly with PL is not an issue you can ride on, so stop complaining you have more brains or skills than others
AA. Game recognition is something else!
YOU MEAN EVERY OTHER PERSON ON MWO SUCKS AT AIMING vs LIGHTS?
HIGH lower expectations on others.... nice discussion ground ... for yours!

B. Terrible Builds: As told, you see that terrible, I have made up tp 500-700 D in that terrible and WON matches.
I leave it to U to find the important word in the above sentence!

So terrible, by your "low" standard, from my view-point. And compered to ury - which it does not even scratch me tangential - my has a better image!

Saying that. YOU still do not do the THINK-WORK about my builds comlaining.
I could tell you the reason, but hey, you are also a victim in come match and not in my Unit to tell you why!

For Records:
I am NO MORE the kind to leave comments un-commented.

So if you are smart enough, leave smart comments to get more questions and not face-palms.

Hope you get the point, else ready to comment you down.

[Andrewlik]

Seelenlos, on 05 March 2022 - 06:36 PM, said:

A. Good at aiming mostly with PL is not an issue you can ride on, so stop complaining you have more brains or skills than others
AA. Game recognition is something else!
YOU MEAN EVERY OTHER PERSON ON MWO SUCKS AT AIMING vs LIGHTS?
HIGH lower expectations on others.... nice discussion ground ... for yours!

B. Terrible Builds: As told, you see that terrible, I have made up tp 500-700 D in that terrible and WON matches.
I leave it to U to find the important word in the above sentence!

So terrible, by your &quot;low&quot; standard, from my view-point. And compered to ury - which it does not even scratch me tangential - my has a better image!

Saying that. YOU still do not do the THINK-WORK about my builds comlaining.
I could tell you the reason, but hey, you are also a victim in come match and not in my Unit to tell you why!

For Records:
I am NO MORE the kind to leave comments un-commented.

So if you are smart enough, leave smart comments to get more questions and not face-palms.

Hope you get the point, else ready to comment you down.

"500-700 damage" if that's the case that's great actually, you got the basics of "standard" fights down, you just seem to struggle with how light mechs don't generally fight in a standard manner.
Legitimately dude, I'm willing to teach you what I know. I'm not perfect but I think I can help you
I'm on both PGI's discord as well as Everything Battletech and r/battletech's server, same username, @me and we can set up a time to hop in a call

[pattonesque]

Seelenlos, on 05 March 2022 - 06:36 PM, said:

A. Good at aiming mostly with PL is not an issue you can ride on, so stop complaining you have more brains or skills than others
AA. Game recognition is something else!
YOU MEAN EVERY OTHER PERSON ON MWO SUCKS AT AIMING vs LIGHTS?
HIGH lower expectations on others.... nice discussion ground ... for yours!

B. Terrible Builds: As told, you see that terrible, I have made up tp 500-700 D in that terrible and WON matches.
I leave it to U to find the important word in the above sentence!

So terrible, by your "low" standard, from my view-point. And compered to ury - which it does not even scratch me tangential - my has a better image!

Saying that. YOU still do not do the THINK-WORK about my builds comlaining.
I could tell you the reason, but hey, you are also a victim in come match and not in my Unit to tell you why!

For Records:
I am NO MORE the kind to leave comments un-commented.

So if you are smart enough, leave smart comments to get more questions and not face-palms.

Hope you get the point, else ready to comment you down.

a. most people in this game suck at aiming period.

b. that build is terrible. Plenty of terrible builds can get 500-700 damage in a match (these are not exactly incredible numbers, by the by) but that build is going to be spreading its damage all over the place uselessly. As for winning matches in it, congratulations -- you still lose more than you win. When you are on a team -- you specifically -- that team is more likely to lose the game than to win it. Your teams win in spite of you.

[Magrowl]

Have you considered that all of these problems are due to you being bad at aiming, positioning, mech building, and the game as a whole?

[Andrewlik]

Magrowl, on 05 March 2022 - 06:59 PM, said:

Have you considered that all of these problems are due to you being bad at aiming, positioning, mech building, and the game as a whole?

That may be true, but if he's willing to learn he can overcome this.
I've offered to teach him some basics, would you perhaps be able to as well? I think it'd be good for me as well, I'm far from perfect myself