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[Stonefalcon]

..manure.

8v8 was bloody awesome. consistent matches, seen a lot of old faces around I hadn't seen in 6 years and the new.MM worked like a charm.

Taken one 12v12 match to see the game has once again become a steaming pile of manure.

Get that MM tuned and get it out the door.

[OneTeamPlayer]

I hope they don't, but they probably will.

Often an old game making a major change to their basic formula is the straw that break the camel's back and finally kills it.

While you saw a few faces you haven't seen in years, which happens every major change as people pop in and check out then leave because they were already bored with the game, i saw a sea of people who were seriously uninterested in keeping this mode.

Remember how there were always plenty of people in solo queue but there weren't enough people in group queue to start matches? I keep seeing people who drop in groups say they enjoy this and people who prefer to play solo say they do not.

[Ken Harkin]

Glad 8v8 is gone. Looking forward to getting back online tonight.

[Valdier]

Stonefalcon, on 22 March 2022 - 11:57 PM, said:

..manure.

8v8 was bloody awesome. consistent matches, seen a lot of old faces around I hadn't seen in 6 years and the new.MM worked like a charm.

Taken one 12v12 match to see the game has once again become a steaming pile of manure.

Get that MM tuned and get it out the door.

Going long term 8v8 would definitely be enough to get myself and a dozen or so friends to leave the game for good. It was horrendously lopsided games for the entire weekend. It didn't matter if we were 8-0 or 0-8, every game was incredibly poorly balanced.

[Blood Rose]

8v8 actually felt fun. Now we are back to over specialised builds that work because the numbers in the team let them, and the individual players ability to influence a match has dropped off the end. 8v8 was fun, bring it back.

[PocketYoda]

Agreed i very much enjoyed 8v8 now 12v12 is back i'm gone again after i finish the events..

Edited by Nomad Tech, 23 March 2022 - 04:52 PM.

[Corvus Antaka]

agreed.

8v8 is significantly better. Better tactics, less firepower concentrating on the field, less snipe farming for points, and overall better gameplay.

game should randomly pick 8v8 or 12v12 instead of filling 12v12 que all the time at the very least.

[dubstep albatross]

Valdier, on 23 March 2022 - 02:16 PM, said:

Going long term 8v8 would definitely be enough to get myself and a dozen or so friends to leave the game for good. It was horrendously lopsided games for the entire weekend. It didn't matter if we were 8-0 or 0-8, every game was incredibly poorly balanced.

I think that some players sit in a tier they are in because of a playstyle they have that is enabled (or made possible) by 12v12. I think, with some time, some of those players would shift to a more appropriate tier. Others will shift their playstyle to be more suitable for 8v8. Games would likely be better balanced at that point.

How can I make this claim? I am one of those players as I discovered during 8v8. I roam the flanks, I harass, I take advantage of opportunities, and brawl when I can. I am an okay player, I have average stats, and I sit comfortably in tier 3. I would say that I pull my weight at 1/12, which is not enough when I am one out of eight.

My average match score dropped around 40 points (about 15%). I went from an average of a 3 PSR gain per match to a 3 PSR loss per match -- so even if match scores for players were generally reduced, my performance, relative to the match and my team, was lower.

Still, I enjoyed 8v8 more than 12v12 on the whole. I experienced increased TTK, more opportunity to maneuver on a map without constant incoming fire, more tactical choices, extended brawling in parts of the maps rarely used, and there were more opportunities to 1v1 someone. Sure, there were stomps, but they were generally over quick. In time my playstyle would adjust and I suspect I would be at the same performance level as before.

[Psycho da Clown]

Lockheed_, on 23 March 2022 - 09:05 PM, said:

the only way to have more even matches is to up the player count.

24 Vs 24

[Gagis]

I wish 8v8 will be back in some form or another. It makes actual team coordination much more likely to happen.

[Bowelhacker]

The 8v8 experiment had me actively looking for games to replace MWO over the weekend. So I don't think it's a good idea to be made the default mode.

[Lumovanis]

I think 8v8 at its core was good. What I think happened was people were getting constantly burned by MM issues and the fact that a lot of their teammates were trying to play it like it was 12v12 still. Not to mention the tonnage imbalance.

I've said it a few times and will say it again; if they fixed the MM and tonnage problems (and maybe fix a few of the starting positions), 8v8 would be fine.

I have actually already been annoyed at going back to 12v12, where I get to spend the first half of the game either hiding for fear of getting sniped/eating way too many LRMS and/or poking without either team really moving. 8v8 just really highlighted how awful the stagnant 12v12 meta really is.

[Beastbear]

Gagis, on 23 March 2022 - 10:35 PM, said:

I wish 8v8 will be back in some form or another. It makes actual team coordination much more likely to happen.

You'd think that, but you'd be wrong.

After death i just had a match where via chat i couldn't get any of the 8 remaining teammate mechs to walk into a domination circle they were all >300m of (loss by timeout) because they all apparently wanted to play skirmish.


Teamwork is op , yo. 8v8 only heightens that. A 4 man can be overcome by poor teamwork but decent player attrition in 12v12, 8v8 is too focused and lopsides too quick. i think way too many people forget what it was really like in the before times.....

[Vladokapuh]

8v8 was best time ive had in a long while
12v12... sit back and farm, not very fun to play, its a mess

[Beffa]

Came back for 8v8. Will finish the lootbag events just why not and then i'll pack my things and leave again.

Playing in t2/t1 is the most obnoxious and unfun experience i've ever seen in this game. 75% of every team is just PPC/Gauss/LL snipers sitting back and shooting from the 900m range and constantly playing rotatopotato. The gameplay has gotten so bad to the point of being atrocious.

Edited by Beffa, 24 March 2022 - 06:17 AM.

[technopredator]

Stonefalcon, on 22 March 2022 - 11:57 PM, said:

..manure.

8v8 was bloody awesome. consistent matches, seen a lot of old faces around I hadn't seen in 6 years and the new.MM worked like a charm.

Taken one 12v12 match to see the game has once again become a steaming pile of manure.

Get that MM tuned and get it out the door.

I agree, but many suck at this game and rely on the 12vs12 stomp, to get any damage, don't have enough skill to play 8vs8 so they come and crybaby on the forums by the lot, so of course, we're back on the old boring 12vs12 otherwise this game will lose at least 60% of its playerbase and eventually die

[Corbantu]

technopredator, on 24 March 2022 - 06:21 AM, said:

I agree, but many suck at this game and rely on the 12vs12 stomp, to get any damage, don't have enough skill to play 8vs8 so they come and crybaby on the forums by the lot, so of course, we're back on the old boring 12vs12 otherwise this game will lose at least 60% of its playerbase and eventually die

I wouldn't go as far as to say there is a skill gap and that is the reason for disdain. Infact imo MWO has a very low skill ceiling and a high skill floor. It's pretty forgiving to bad gameplay.

But to your point, there's a very different play style that can be applied to 12v12 verse 8v8. Because of that I think playstyles have a larger role in a players preference for 12 or 8. I personally prefer to shape the battlefield with proactive action, so 8v8 appeals to me. Whereas someone who prefers a repetitive Nascar and popup reactive targeting game would prefer 12v12. Maybe it's the difference of defensive vs offensive playstyles?

Idk, I'm tired and feel like I just spewed a bunch of nonsense.

[VeeOt Dragon]

personally am very glad the dumpster fire that is 8v8 is over for now.

i like a game with the more players the better. i hate constant meta ******** and thats all i saw during the 8v8, meta and Groups dominating every match. yes i am a solo dropper but thats because every group i tried to join in the early days was full of toxic overly competitive meta try hard cry babies. i like my odder builds. i play to have fun not to just cookie cutter the same build on two mechs. yeah there are mechs i gravitate towards (like my Corsair-7A during events that will bring out LRM and there is always my LRM Catapult. oh and lets not forget the all important Annoyance Urbie (something like my build has oddly become meta with the ECM Urbie but i don't care))

all the matches i played during the 8v8 were boring stomps with the same 3 builds on the same 3 mechs (hell one match had one 3 different mech chassis being used with only the light not being a duplicate (it was a flea while the rest was heavies and asaults all clanner). i am solidly in T3 and glad of it. before the PSR changes i was almost T1 and i found the folks up there boring, unimaginative and toxic. do keep in mind that this seems to be the case in any PvP game, the highest Tier players are always the worst sorts of people that i have no interest in (mind there are always a few good folks but not many).

[Zeddicuus]

Really, they should just include it as an QuickPlay queue option. Why not have both available so players can choose what they like?

[TheCaptainJZ]

Zeddicuus, on 24 March 2022 - 07:55 AM, said:

Really, they should just include it as an QuickPlay queue option. Why not have both available so players can choose what they like?

Not enough population to sustain both. It would make more sense if it was 8v8 on the Oceanic Server all the time though. Not sure if that is possible but they always have low population. Actually that wouldn't make sense because the whole balance of the game is so integrated with 12v12 that 8v8 would require rebalancing everything again.
The main problems with 8v8 are groups, high tonnage, and power creep.