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[martian]

technopredator, on 21 March 2022 - 11:41 AM, said:

My build: UkrainZeL-6P:

Top speed 50 km/h?

Not Uziel that I would pilot.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Um... 2 ERLL, 2 LL, 2ERML... powered by a 155 standard engine? sorry, but that is not a good build. Setting aside the mismatched energy weapons that will generate extra ghost heat, the low top speed of the mech will result in it getting blasted to pieces much more quickly than its terrible torso hit boxes would otherwise indicate.
May I humbly suggest checking my existing thread on the Uziel 6P here, it has build suggestions.

[Scout Derek]

just do 6MPL, none of these bizarro builds some of you come up with that you think is "unique".

https://mwo.nav-alph...62899c3c_UZL-6P


Or you can do these as well;


LPL https://mwo.nav-alph...0c9bbf02_UZL-6P

LL https://mwo.nav-alph...b45a0fa6_UZL-6P

ERLL+ERML https://mwo.nav-alph...941f07f6_UZL-6P

[Davegt27]

new players need to try and test as many builds as they can

test things for your selves that is part of the fun

[ScrapIron Prime]

Scout Derek, on 21 March 2022 - 11:57 AM, said:

just do 6MPL, none of these bizarro builds some of you come up with that you think is "unique".

https://mwo.nav-alph...62899c3c_UZL-6P


Or you can do these as well;


LPL https://mwo.nav-alph...0c9bbf02_UZL-6P

LL https://mwo.nav-alph...b45a0fa6_UZL-6P

ERLL+ERML https://mwo.nav-alph...941f07f6_UZL-6P

Better, but the Uziel is a massive side-torso deathtrap with XL. I would take the hit to the loadout and run a light engine instead.

[Scout Derek]

Davegt27, on 21 March 2022 - 12:03 PM, said:

new players need to try and test as many builds as they can

test things for your selves that is part of the fun

there is testing...

and then there is just throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks.

[LordNothing]

Scout Derek, on 21 March 2022 - 01:02 PM, said:

there is testing...

and then there is just throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks.

the latter doesn't often make a meta build, but its hella fun. works for pasta, buds, and now battlemechs.

[caravann]

Speed is life for uziel and it's not about getting there first but to stay in motion.

Information is ammunition. Firing a PPC will take notice to anyone who see it. Skilled players are able to defeat other players with a spoon of salt.

It won't be steiner scouting with short supply of firepower and distance is stealth.

Life pulse is a pulse cannon. This is clan tech, when you really want to melt your face

[Akamia Terizen]

I’m amazed, as well as disappointed in myself, that it took seeing this thread for me to recognize what’s going on with this Uziel’s paint job and the general theme of the event. Especially since I recognized the Warhammer event’s context pretty much instantly.

I guess I was more focused on the MC reward than anything else. lol

I like the theme you have going on. Maybe it is impractical, but as one who uses impractical builds (at least in the context of MWO specifically) on the regular, I have no business complaining. Good luck with your Uziel!

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 22 March 2022 - 03:14 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 01:50 AM, said:

I know all these, but I prefer to play like an Assault/Heavy, that's more my style, I have Mediums and Lights, but is exchanging weight for firepower, I go with firepower and I pay the price when Light and Mediums outflank me, and snipe me out, but they pay the price if I find them on my crosshair; so it's a trade off. Pulses used to be good, because they generated less heat, but now they generate more heat, but it's fair 'coz they had all the advantages, so no balance; but still, they're heavy and hot, and the damage:heat ratio isn't there, so I don't use them; that's the mediums pulse, the large ones are even worse 'coz of the weight, so I go with efficiency weight:damage:heat:firepower ratios and my playstyle, I compromise when I like the firepower, it's a game, it has to be fun first and foremost, I'm a T5 player that has 0 on my bar, so I lose most games, and I couldn't care less, but I appreciate the input tho.

BTW, I'm not Ukrainian, just showing some support

If you play like a heavy you should use one, because that's the only way you have the firepower to do something for the team and 50kmh is just a joke, even my assaults are faster, so they're just a slow helpless target and a liability to your team...wasted tonnage. A onelegged gunner who goes into battle with no body armor and a revolver and fights thinking he has an LMG 249...no Firepowr, No armor, no Speed
with this TROLL build they support the opponent and not their own team

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 22 March 2022 - 03:34 AM.

[Akamia Terizen]

I will say this; if you want to preserve the theme and have good odds of surviving at the same time while running that thing, you really should upgrade the engine. Stick a decently powerful light engine on there and put some of those sinks inside it – or if you're feeling really brave, go for the XL and just try not to lose a torso. At least you'll have some speed on your side.

As impractical as the builds I use might be compared to the meta, I wouldn't dare intentionally slow a medium 'Mech down, Uziel or otherwise. If anything, I'd make it go faster. lol

[martian]

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 01:50 AM, said:

I know all these, but I prefer to play like an Assault/Heavy, that's more my style, ...

The problem is that your Uziel is slower than many assault 'Mechs, while lacking their armor and firepower.

technopredator, on 21 March 2022 - 02:22 PM, said:

if you're a good pilot, pilot don't get in the way, and can locate a good spot, your build is as good as the power of your weps;

Seeing a good spot is one thing. Getting to that spot in such slow 'Mech, that lacks Jump Jets, is another.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Everyone can only hope not to have such a build in their team, that's the under 100 dmg dealers.
Such builds are then quickly discovered because they cannot change their position quickly, and then they are pinned down with UAC fire, where they cannot counter effectively with their slow large lasers, and since they always have to take cover, you don't have to sometimes afraid of jamming.

Quote

https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c

we seeing it ,when you Trollbuild stands against my Madcat with more Weapons,many more Speed ,mor Heatsinks, More DPS and more Armor and im not a T5 Player thats have Tunnelview and ignored all what not in Frontview and the minimap.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 22 March 2022 - 09:31 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 09:56 PM, said:

No, that's the fear you're driven by; I wont' discus the details of your repeating ramblings and incoherent delusions, I covered them more than once; but I like how you think, thinking somehow you're gonna find me 1vs1 bypassing the other 11 'mechs, 50+ kph is plenty of speed if you know how and when to move, you clearly don't, that's why you need more speed to compensate, and looks like you need to compensate for a lot of things.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, fits you

I understand spending the energy to defend a build choice that you love, I do. But it is objectively a poorly designed build, and I don't think you'll find much support for it (apart from the colors) in the community. It really needs to move faster, it needs more cooling, and the mismatched large lasers subject you to ghost heat.

And honestly, your stance that lightly armored mechs with poor hitboxes only need to move at 50 kph is... unique, shall we say.

[ScrapIron Prime]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yes, I proud myself on being unique and not got with the heard of sheeples based on inefficient and useless theories, that clearly haven't tested themselves. You say poorly designed and yet give poor arguments for supporting your claim, it has great cooling, as much as possible, also the heat will accumulate, not for the different weps, but because they're more, and generate more heat, and the need to cool them even when not firing, so the cooling is naturally distributed, and the resulting cooling for each wep, regardless of type, will be less, specially when they generate lots of heat like large weps; so your points are irrelevant really, I do fine with that build, 'coz I'm not dense to stand in front of heavier 'mech and just try to outshoot shoot them, I don't know why you even suggest that absurd possibility

Well I would love to see video of this bad boy in action, then, because my game play experience has certainly been different.

[martian]

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 01:33 PM, said:

Assaults faster than 50 Kph, I don't build intentionally, and will never do, wasted tonage;

There are assault 'Mechs in MWO that move 60 km/h and they are very viable machines. You can never know if the matchmaker will give your team such assaults.

You do not want to be left behind in your Uziel by all other 'Mechs of your team.

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 01:33 PM, said:

also I don't face them 1vs1 obviously, unless I have no choice and if you have to run away, you don't shoot or aim right, or you're half rekt and it doesn't help anymore

in my opinion Uziel is very suitable for hit-and-run tactics, if armed with lasers or PPCs.

technopredator, on 22 March 2022 - 01:33 PM, said:

That's something I never even think about, I don't go really long distances and away from my team, is not what I meant, and using high speed and jump-jets, it's just wasted tonage, time, firing and a lot of non-team playing, which I already wrote, isn't my playstyle

I think that Uziel does not tank damage very well. Thus, when piloting Uziel, the key is not getting hit in the first place. Therefore, high speed and jump jets can be very useful for achieving that goal.

You can be a team player, even if you operate independently, so you can use your 'Mech's strong suits. I think that this is the Uziel case.

[martian]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 12:25 PM, said:

As I wrote at least twice now, it goes to playstyle or personal preference

Of course.

Play MWO as you like and let the PSR do its work.

[martian]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 12:40 PM, said:

Yeah, that broken and dumb system is going to balance this game, sure

The current version of the PSR is not perfect, but it is much better than the previous version used from 2015 to 2020.

[ScrapIron Prime]

martian, on 23 March 2022 - 12:49 PM, said:

The current version of the PSR is not perfect, but it is much better than the previous version used from 2015 to 2020.

and in this case, it is allowing you to play in a Tier where your mobility and build strategies are working for you. In that respect it is working.

[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yes, I proud myself on being unique and not got with the heard of sheeples based on inefficient and useless theories, that clearly haven't tested themselves. You say poorly designed and yet give poor arguments for supporting your claim, it has great cooling, as much as possible, also the heat will accumulate, not for the different weps, but because they're more, and generate more heat, and the need to cool them even when not firing, so the cooling is naturally distributed, and the resulting cooling for each wep, regardless of type, will be less, specially when they generate lots of heat like large weps; so your points are irrelevant really, I do fine with that build, 'coz I'm not dense to stand in front of heavier 'mech and just try to outshoot shoot them, I don't know why you even suggest that absurd possibility

if this mech works so well then why do you lose more than you win and die WAY more often than you get kills