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All Pccs Speeds Must Be Nerfed Vs Medium Or Large Lasers For The Game To Become A Little Fun More!


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#41 Seelenlos

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 10:30 AM

View PostWeeny Machine, on 12 November 2022 - 09:42 AM, said:


Simply because that 1. was not what I said and 2. not what I implied

Ever heard of one of your fellow Germans, he is called Immanuel Kant? Maybe you want to look him up.

1. You did, in your polite way, still you did!

2. Kant was nice, but still junk as you should read Nietzsche!

You are as biased as Kant and so blind to the sole problem, but not my problem, you know only things valued to your own problems only.

So we two and the rest following your are here far from the problem I mentioned, thanks to values and biases.

#42 Seelenlos

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM

View PostCurccu, on 13 November 2022 - 09:50 AM, said:

Yep because politicians are quite often full of ****.


I have huge issue understanding what does that have to do anything? I mean I could have paid 1000€+ for flight tickets + hotel and so on but would make me better player or what was your point?


Yeah I would dare to say so, I'm not very active (pretty much retired) in this game anymore but I still hold my 99 percentile as data does. So yeah 50% at least.


Sure I have gotten few warnings from Mods but I mostly follow TOS you clearly do not if you get banned.

But how about we actually return to OP you made and EXPLAIN simply what is your reasoning behind this thread? I tried to ask you earlier but whole that post you were able to reply just enough to say that you are data fanboi.


1. NO, you also have no permission to assume, as you also are far from pointing to the problem.
These kind of "trumpish" arguments, "because you think DATA is good, you are so left!" are the standard sentences to start denunciating some one.

2. We have the fact, that DATA and TTB are some of the best players in the game!

3. You maybe good, but I have never seen any others shine like them. Even those playing with them do not shine WITHOUT them. This alone seem to understate a fact.

4. I know Valdez has pinpointed me, even though he speaks German too, but no problem, he get pays for banning ppl, so i make a good rating for him ... :P

5. As I told, the PPCs become too accurate if they are pushed too much to the velocity factor.
Lasers, specially Pulse are the ones who has the accuracy advantage.

And many times, I see Vapor Eagles have more PPC speed than any other Mechs, even among the Clan-Mechs, though they have no Perks.

That means there is a flaw in the system, a very bad one.

#43 Knownswift

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 10:50 AM

Did you know targeting computers and skill tree can both increase ERPPC velocity?

That said, lol. I can't really compare DATA to TTB. TTB doesn't suck by any means, but he still a normie and there exists a massive gulf in skill between the two.

I wouldn't listen to either of them for opinions on the game.

#44 Seelenlos

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 11:21 AM

View PostKnownswift, on 13 November 2022 - 10:50 AM, said:

Did you know targeting computers and skill tree can both increase ERPPC velocity?

That said, lol. I can't really compare DATA to TTB. TTB doesn't suck by any means, but he still a normie and there exists a massive gulf in skill between the two.

I wouldn't listen to either of them for opinions on the game.


You should look their YT.
I do not agree on their "build"-Types for other reasons, but what they both say, shows a DEEP understanding of the game and the mechanics.

I can only warn you for good, not to underestimate them in their abilities.

I think I know a bit of the mechanics but even me, has leaned more than 2 things from them.

With 3 PPCs no one is smart enough to install a TC. I know of it, and use it but a VE with 3 PCCs and 1 HS...

Do you really think they install more ???

#45 KursedVixen

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 11:24 AM

View PostSeelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 02:32 AM, said:

https://www.reddit.c...vii_duel_rules/
"with some able to fire earlier at a risk of jamming/malfunction"

So many weapons in MWO must again become slower in respect to other weapons.

It is really absurd, that Urbies or Fleas can shoot that fast. Even in repsect to some advantages they become!

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you know the clan ERPPC is the slowest of all erppcs and that light and heavy are the slowest if anything the CERPPC should have the same speed as the IS ERPPC

#46 Seelenlos

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 11:28 AM

View PostKursedVixen, on 13 November 2022 - 11:24 AM, said:

you know the clan ERPPC is the slowest of all erppcs and that light and heavy are the slowest if anything the CERPPC should have the same speed as the IS ERPPC


Or not have and get its standard speed not Perk allowed ! It is the bias which directs here as you see.

#47 Curccu

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 11:45 AM

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

1. NO, you also have no permission to assume, as you also are far from pointing to the problem.
These kind of "trumpish" arguments, "because you think DATA is good, you are so left!" are the standard sentences to start denunciating some one.

Again I'm not from 'Murica, and I dislike that lying piece of **** trump almost as much I do putin.

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

2. We have the fact, that DATA and TTB are some of the best players in the game!

a Fact: My Jarl's rank is better than TTBs and all of my stats are better than his. I have played multiple times against him, nothing special just another good player... So whats your point?

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

3. You maybe good, but I have never seen any others shine like them. Even those playing with them do not shine WITHOUT them. This alone seem to understate a fact.

I played A division comp for 8 Years or so, I have seen and played against/with many way better players than DATA, most of the really good ones have quit the game...

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

4. I know Valdez has pinpointed me, even though he speaks German too, but no problem, he get pays for banning ppl, so i make a good rating for him ... Posted Image

I'm not sure those volunteer mods get paid... and I have had my clashes with him also.

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

5. As I told, the PPCs become too accurate if they are pushed too much to the velocity factor.
Lasers, specially Pulse are the ones who has the accuracy advantage.

I think I have missed patch notes that have increased PPC speeds lately because if I remember correctly they have had same velocity for a few Years at least.
PPCs used to be 2000m/s at some point of games history, now they are pretty slow compared to that.

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:

And many times, I see Vapor Eagles have more PPC speed than any other Mechs, even among the Clan-Mechs, though they have no Perks.

Do you mean Vapors have more PPC speed even thou they don't have ppc speed quirks? Every can choose velocity nodes from skilltree and targeting computers also give 5% per tier if I remember correctly.

You also mentioned Urbies in your OP but only Street cleaner hero urbie has velocity quirk others do not.
Kinda same with Veagles, only hero has velocity quirk but it has energy slots in arm which is waist high so not that good.

View PostSeelenlos, on 13 November 2022 - 10:42 AM, said:


That means there is a flaw in the system, a very bad one.

This is where we don't agree, lasers are easier to aim well because still hitscan weapon, you have to lead PPCs and have that crosshair exactly where it needs to be when you pull the trigger, with lasers you can correct your aim.
Both have Pros and Cons and are pretty well balanced IMO.

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 12:11 PM

View PostCurccu, on 13 November 2022 - 11:45 AM, said:

Do you mean Vapors have more PPC speed even thou they don't have ppc speed quirks? Every can choose velocity nodes from skilltree and targeting computers also give 5% per tier if I remember correctly.

You also mentioned Urbies in your OP but only Street cleaner hero urbie has velocity quirk others do not.
Kinda same with Veagles, only hero has velocity quirk but it has energy slots in arm which is waist high so not that good.

I told him exactly that in my post above.

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Posted 13 November 2022 - 12:37 PM

View PostKursedVixen, on 13 November 2022 - 11:24 AM, said:

you know the clan ERPPC is the slowest of all erppcs ...

There are exactly two ER PPCs in the game: Inner Sphere ER PPC and Clan PPPC.

I believe that this is obvious balancing measure:
  • Inner Sphere ER PPC has a slightly faster projectile (so it is easier to hit with), but if it hits, it does only ten points of damage.
  • Clan ER PPC has a slightly slower projectile (so it is more difficult to use), but if it hits, it does more damage to enemy 'Mech.

View PostKursedVixen, on 13 November 2022 - 11:24 AM, said:


... and that light and heavy are the slowest if anything the CERPPC should have the same speed as the IS ERPPC

Clan ER PPCs (1650 m/s) still has faster projectile than IS Light PPC (1400 m/s), IS standard PPC (1400 m/s), IS Heavy PPC (1400 m/s) and IS Snub-Nose PPC (mere 1200 m/s).





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