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[Wildstar3402]

guys this post is in part a rant but I and many others I bet on this game are frustrated at how after making a build or builds that we still get owned badly in them and how people play. just to be frank here I am not a good pvp player I play Mechwarior 5 mercs and the eariler ones I like but here I do try to see how I do on the pvp style of this universe but I admit I SUCKKK. but like some I still try but not with a fun heart in it which I find myself about to ask the devs to have my accounts banned. I love battletech and the lore and everything but it hard to really have fun anymore

[martian]

You can always ask here: New Player Help

[sycocys]

Just treat it as a harder mode pve game that occasionally has waves of decent to really good ai. Most of the time you are outgunned, just solve the puzzle with the tools you brought.

Only way I've found to play the game without my unit to chat with.

[Bud Crue]

Imho, for solo play, the game in its current iteration/meta is all about playing selfishly. Example: one of the best players in the game, DATA, has posted great examples of what he calls "skill play": https://youtu.be/Iqr6xW1avnM. To long didn't watch: This is effectively going to a good snipping position with a ranged mech, and sitting there hitting targets of opportunity at extreme range while the rest of your team distracts and engages the enemy. It clearly works for someone of his skill, and even when a relatively low skill player such as myself tries it, about 75% of the time it works really well. The other 25% of the time a wolf pack of lights/fast mediums go all in to kill me. The same principles apply with lights and mechs like shadow cats: there are a few of the usual suspects that are nearly always among the last to die, but end up with top 3 damage more often than not, despite seeming to be often on the losing team. Even really slow brawler assaults: the guys that hang back in their massive alpha 48kph builds are often the folks with the highest damage and most kills. Sure they were only active for a couple of minutes but cleaning up heavily damaged opponents is the name of their game, and it seems to work, as I see this sort of play A LOT.

For me none of these sorts of play style are what I consider to be fun or enjoyable, but maybe they are for you, and if so give them a shot. It works for the elite among us so it might just work for you.

Alternatively, just enjoy what you enjoy, and try and find others who are of a like mind, and don't sweat the whole "getting owned" thing. Playing in a group of like minded folks who do stupid shi7, and/or play bad mechs/builds, etc. increases your chance of performing and winning even if what you are doing -together- is less than optimal.

Edited by Bud Crue, 18 December 2022 - 03:45 PM.

[Felbombling]

Wild, try something new if you find yourself in a rut. I told a buddy in a similar situation to yours that he should pick his fave. Mech and try different builds on it. He found out that he really liked LRMs and started to master that type of gameplay, which enhanced his enjoyment of the game.

[feeWAIVER]

Wildstar3402, on 18 December 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

just to be frank here I am not a good pvp player

Have you turned your mouse sensitivity down? If not, do it.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Adjusting a good balance of speed, acceleration, and precision can be a nightmare with the mouse settings.

Try going into testing grounds with a medium mech with decent torso and twist speeds, and dial your mouse in.

Most people overlook just how important getting your mouse settings set for "you" can be.

Start there, because the majority of games in 12v12 you have almost zero control over the outcome thanks to the Match Maker + how powerful mechs are now and how quickly you can die.

[Novakaine]

Ya gotta find the challenge in the game.
Even with the over abundance of AMS, ECM and radar for Derps.
I still love running lurm mechs just for the challenge and the gloats.
Ya just have to find your fun.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Wildstar, can you post the Mech you use and the build? We may be able to give some suggestions there.

[Meep Meep]

Novakaine, on 18 December 2022 - 10:09 PM, said:

Ya gotta find the challenge in the game.
Even with the over abundance of AMS, ECM and radar for Derps.
I still love running lurm mechs just for the challenge and the gloats.Ya just have to find your fun.

This 1000%

I find that the most fun for me is tooling around in fast ecm mechs and being a pain the butt to the enemy team. You can sway a game by simply drawing off a few mechs to chase the squirrel and leave their fire line under gunned or just taking potshots to distract them. If they are screwing around with you then they are not shooting your team. Sometimes its just fun to pick a victim then annoy the ever loving crap out of them. I do that in my fle-20 at times. Get the right map and you can basically hide in plain sight behind the enemy line and take back shots at mechs. It's hilarious to see them spin around looking for you then give up and start shooting at your team again. As soon as they turn their back to me I pop them again and repeat until they die or run away. So much fun.

[CFC Conky]

@OP,

MWO has a very steep learning curve and since the population is relatively low, you will encounter more players who, if not great, are at least experienced, which can stack the deck against you even further. That said, these are not insurmountable obstacles and the community here is very generous with help if you ask for it.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

Edited by CFC Conky, 19 December 2022 - 10:17 AM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Wildstar3402, on 18 December 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

guys this post is in part a rant but I and many others I bet on this game are frustrated at how after making a build or builds that we still get owned badly in them and how people play. just to be frank here I am not a good pvp player I play Mechwarior 5 mercs and the eariler ones I like but here I do try to see how I do on the pvp style of this universe but I admit I SUCKKK. but like some I still try but not with a fun heart in it which I find myself about to ask the devs to have my accounts banned. I love battletech and the lore and everything but it hard to really have fun anymore

Think the main issue is most of us have been playing for a while and have a good feel for the game. I am by no means an excellent player, but I manage to have some good matches sometimes.
I think the main problem is that TTL is too low and there aren't enough "bad" players for you to play against so you gain experience. But regardless, we, the community, want to help, as shown by others in this thread. Feel free to post in the New Player forum with your mech and build and we can advise you on ways you might improve it. Or tactics, or anything. There are subforums for the different weight classes and mechs but the root of the New Player section is fine too.

[Meep Meep]

feeWAIVER, on 18 December 2022 - 06:21 PM, said:

Have you turned your mouse sensitivity down? If not, do it.

I can vouch for this but its a bit more in depth that setting sensitivity settings. There is a mouse setting win10 applies by default and it will completely screw up your aim until you turn it off.

Open settings>devices>mouse>additional mouse options

This will open up the mouse properties and you need to click the 'pointer options' tab. Once open deselect the 'enhance pointer precision' checkbox and hit apply.

Poof now your mouse will be far far smoother and easier to control and set up a sensitivity you feel comfy with.

[Bassault]

Bud Crue, on 18 December 2022 - 03:43 PM, said:

Imho, for solo play, the game in its current iteration/meta is all about playing selfishly. Example: one of the best players in the game, DATA, has posted great examples of what he calls "skill play": https://youtu.be/Iqr6xW1avnM. To long didn't watch: This is effectively going to a good snipping position with a ranged mech, and sitting there hitting targets of opportunity at extreme range while the rest of your team distracts and engages the enemy. It clearly works for someone of his skill, and even when a relatively low skill player such as myself tries it, about 75% of the time it works really well. The other 25% of the time a wolf pack of lights/fast mediums go all in to kill me. The same principles apply with lights and mechs like shadow cats: there are a few of the usual suspects that are nearly always among the last to die, but end up with top 3 damage more often than not, despite seeming to be often on the losing team. Even really slow brawler assaults: the guys that hang back in their massive alpha 48kph builds are often the folks with the highest damage and most kills. Sure they were only active for a couple of minutes but cleaning up heavily damaged opponents is the name of their game, and it seems to work, as I see this sort of play A LOT.

For me none of these sorts of play style are what I consider to be fun or enjoyable, but maybe they are for you, and if so give them a shot. It works for the elite among us so it might just work for you.

Alternatively, just enjoy what you enjoy, and try and find others who are of a like mind, and don't sweat the whole "getting owned" thing. Playing in a group of like minded folks who do stupid shi7, and/or play bad mechs/builds, etc. increases your chance of performing and winning even if what you are doing -together- is less than optimal.

Do you think his team does not benefit from this? He protects their flanks and stops people from pushing into them, and they protect him from being pushed from the enemies infront. Think of the archers and the infantry. It's teamwork. Sniper denies sightlines, brawlers and mid range hold the line.

Edited by I LOVE ANNIHILATORS, 19 December 2022 - 08:47 PM.

[Bassault]

Wildstar3402, on 18 December 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

guys this post is in part a rant but I and many others I bet on this game are frustrated at how after making a build or builds that we still get owned badly in them and how people play. just to be frank here I am not a good pvp player I play Mechwarior 5 mercs and the eariler ones I like but here I do try to see how I do on the pvp style of this universe but I admit I SUCKKK. but like some I still try but not with a fun heart in it which I find myself about to ask the devs to have my accounts banned. I love battletech and the lore and everything but it hard to really have fun anymore

Read some guides, watch some videos (from actually good players like JGx DATA on youtube), and run builds that actually make sense. Run an easy mech build so you can get a grasp on how things work, then go up from there. Hunchback IIC laservom, Hellbringer laservom, these are pretty easy to play. Summoner is also super tanky and quite mobile, making it good for making mistakes. Black Knight is also pretty good for quick play, yeah your CT is kinda big but your quirks are ridiculous and you're fast as hell.

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https://mwo.nav-alph...e3c2f_HBR-PRIME
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Lasers are easy to use so I'm giving you lasers.

Edited by I LOVE ANNIHILATORS, 19 December 2022 - 09:56 PM.

[sosegado]

Wildstar3402, on 18 December 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

guys this post is in part a rant but I and many others I bet on this game are frustrated at how after making a build or builds that we still get owned badly in them and how people play. just to be frank here I am not a good pvp player I play Mechwarior 5 mercs and the eariler ones I like but here I do try to see how I do on the pvp style of this universe but I admit I SUCKKK. but like some I still try but not with a fun heart in it which I find myself about to ask the devs to have my accounts banned. I love battletech and the lore and everything but it hard to really have fun anymore

There's always help if you ask for it and there are also players looking for team mates.
Before you launch there is a "looking for group" button you can use.

The forums have scattered topics for just about any information you may want, but don't be afraid to start a new topic asking for specific information or builds. Just do it in the right place and you'll get answers from some very helpful people.

If you insist on playing the game as a solo you are going to take a lot of lumps on your way to adjusting to the learning curve. But that is still a fun path if you have the patience and anger management for it.

Good luck.

[YueFei]

I LOVE ANNIHILATORS, on 19 December 2022 - 08:45 PM, said:

Do you think his team does not benefit from this? He protects their flanks and stops people from pushing into them, and they protect him from being pushed from the enemies infront. Think of the archers and the infantry. It's teamwork. Sniper denies sightlines, brawlers and mid range hold the line.

This. So much this.

When I'm trying to brawl, I love having the support of my mid-range and long-range teammates. My own job in turn is either to seize opportunities to push in, or wait and receive and hold back any enemy attack.

If I don't have teammates that are effective at mid-range/long-range... if I look at the minimap and find that all those teammates are hiding rather than applying any kind of pressure, what happens most of the time is that I'll find myself pinned hard, unable to maneuver or even to retreat safely.

[Bud Crue]

I LOVE ANNIHILATORS, on 19 December 2022 - 08:45 PM, said:

Do you think his team does not benefit from this? He protects their flanks and stops people from pushing into them, and they protect him from being pushed from the enemies infront. Think of the archers and the infantry. It's teamwork. Sniper denies sightlines, brawlers and mid range hold the line.

The OP is expressing misery with playing the game and asking about how to have fun with it. I gave him examples of play styles that many better players have demonstrated with great success, as well as other alternatives as to what I see others having success with. Yes, his team might get some benefit if he does these sorts of things. That seems self evident, so I just don't understand where you are going with this.

[An6ryMan69]

Lots of new players run into the wall in quickplay that has them wondering how the hell they'll ever get anywhere in this game.

I would recommend:

- Picking a simple to play medium or heavy build like I LOVE ANNIHLATORS has suggested; have no more than two weapon groups and capable a full alpha strike without overheating in case you get excited and pull both triggers at once. Do not turn off your override - it's there for a reason.

- Stick right with your team during matches, moving wherever they move and attacking whoever they attack; until you're a decent player consider being alone to be suicide.

- Focus on your own play (not getting caught in bad placement, hitting targets, avoiding damage, supporting team members) and honestly let go of whether your team wins or not, this will ease your frustration a lot. You will not personally change the outcomes of matches anyways, so just chill.

- Use your comms, call out targets, lock targets for missile support and call out for help if someone is kicking your butt.

- Consider mission objectives to be a trap for suckers. There, I said it, because it's true. The pee stain is where new guys go to die, resource capture points are there to separate you from your team so you can be ripped apart by bad guys, and enemy base flags are covered by snipers or pop-tarts just waiting for you to be stupid and go stand there. Focus on killing enemy mechs and staying alive, period. Play objectives once you're, maybe, a Tier 3 player.

- Stick with one sensible mech until you understand how to play reasonably well. Jumping between completely different mechs just increases the difficulty of your learning curve.

- Skill up your mech as quickly as possible. Unskilled mechs are pretty lame in MWO, honestly; and even some of the best mechs don't become decent until they are almost fully skilled. As well, consider fully upgrading your "Sensors" skill tree first - stock sensors in MWO are garbage (an entire lance of assault mechs can charge straight up behind you in an open field and your "sensors" won't sense anything....), so making sensors suck a tiny bit less should be a priority.

- Drop with a friend who is better than you and will watch your back.

Edited by An6ryMan69, 21 December 2022 - 10:00 AM.