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[I GOT LURMS]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I'm new to MWO.

It seems like the Crusader Crael Over Powered at Tier 4-5 level of play.

As long as I can get into range (a big if) it's checkmate. I can face hug assault mechs and tear through their armor in 5 seconds. Anything that tries to stand it's ground at short range is toast.

With 4 SRM 6s and a dozen heavy machine guns, this has to be the best close range mech in the game.

Am I wrong?

[Nightbird]

You stated it best yourself, "a big if". A mech that is bad in many situation and great in a few is balanced. If otherwise, you'd be shooting up to Tier 1.

[Gasboy]

There are numerous mechs that can do that build but better. Single or double LB-20X + 4SRM6 will take apart that Crael in short order. You could do it in a Stormcrow with 1xLB-20X and 4SRM6.

It's a good mech and a good build, but it's not over powered.

[Ken Harkin]

Gasboy, on 04 January 2023 - 12:45 PM, said:

There are numerous mechs that can do that build but better. Single or double LB-20X + 4SRM6 will take apart that Crael in short order. You could do it in a Stormcrow with 1xLB-20X and 4SRM6.

It's a good mech and a good build, but it's not over powered.

To be fair you are now talking about 100 ton assaults.

As stated it is a great one trick pony. When I see one on the field advancing I target it and call out for everyone to shoot it. Even in pug matches you will get a couple of people responding. Take one torso off and it is far less frightening and two or three mechs concentrating fire will do that fast. It will work well so long as you are smart about staying hidden and nobody on the opposing side communicates. Once that begins to happen things will even out quickly.

[Cherge]

It's extremely good in some situations and extremely meh in others

[Davegt27]

I GOT LURMS, on 04 January 2023 - 12:29 PM, said:

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I'm new to MWO.

It seems like the Crusader Crael Over Powered at Tier 4-5 level of play.

As long as I can get into range (a big if) it's checkmate. I can face hug assault mechs and tear through their armor in 5 seconds. Anything that tries to stand it's ground at short range is toast.

With 4 SRM 6s and a dozen heavy machine guns, this has to be the best close range mech in the game.

Am I wrong?

PGI gives a buff to new players

give it time and you will be getting your head caved in like the rest of us lol

[D o z e r]

The 6T is more OP, Crael is definitely not

[LordNothing]

mine is a really slow ac2 boat, so no, not at all.

[confracto]

I GOT LURMS, on 04 January 2023 - 12:29 PM, said:

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I'm new to MWO.

It seems like the Crusader Crael Over Powered at Tier 4-5 level of play.

As long as I can get into range (a big if) it's checkmate. I can face hug assault mechs and tear through their armor in 5 seconds. Anything that tries to stand it's ground at short range is toast.

With 4 SRM 6s and a dozen heavy machine guns, this has to be the best close range mech in the game.

Am I wrong?

It's doing exactly what I designed it to do, and you've understood it correctly. Enjoy.

[Meep Meep]

Damn near everything is op at tier 4~5 if the pilot has half a clue. Tier 4~5 players should be thankful that they see tier 3 max as a tier 1 or 2 premade would make them rage quit if they faced them regularly. Gameplay changes drastically once you hit tier 3 and now can face the upper tiers.

[sycocys]

The Crael is just a good, relatively consistent c-bill farming mech, especially in the lower tiers.

[Curccu]

Ken Harkin, on 04 January 2023 - 02:13 PM, said:

To be fair you are now talking about 100 ton assaults.

Who is ? Crael 60tonner? Stormcrow 55tonner?

[Novakaine]

The Crael is a excellent flanker for back snatchin.
The Crael is a horrible face timer prepare your tear bucket.

[Heavy Money]

Yeah its not overpowered. But yes it is nasty in low tiers where people don't just shoot the CT out instantly.

It is close range, speed isn't great, doesn't have as big burst as other brawlers, has to stare to use the MGs well, and has a big and easy to hit CT. So yes it is strong against people who don't take advantage of those weaknesses but it isn't really a problem even at low tiers.

In high tiers its niche. Many prefer AC2 boating with it.

Edited by Heavy Money, 05 January 2023 - 11:47 AM.

[The Brewer]

For me to consider anything OP, it would have to be a case where it would be foolish to take anything else, much less in the same weight class. Though it can be nasty in the right situation, Crael is not that. 6T is much closer to being that for me, which is being addressed as time goes on via balance tweaks.

[Meep Meep]

dozerbot, on 04 January 2023 - 03:36 PM, said:

The 6T is more OP, Crael is definitely not

52 alpha every 2 seconds on a heavy mech that goes 92kph with 60m jj at 200m+ optimal? naaah...

crd-6t

Or alternately go hang with a direturret and share its ecm.

crd-6t

Edited by Meep Meep, 05 January 2023 - 02:49 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Its just so easy to take an arm off this mech, though. Half the firepower gone, and at that point its mortal.

[Doran55]

I drive a Crael pretty regularly....and its not overpowered at all. ....Whats that saying in TopGun? "its not the machine, its the pilot in the machine...or something like that"

That holds true for all Mechs.

With regard to the Crael....Ive gotten better at using it over time....just like the other mechs I like to run....You learn what the machine can do and cant do.

some are better to face brawl, or some hit and run, etc

...and similarly to most mechs, I have better games in the Crael when I'm

patient and look for opportunities to assist a team mate ( double team)

The Crael is a great "closer" ....if you can stay fairly fresh till about midgame, when most mechs are battered, You can walk into their main grouping and finish off 3 -5 in short order. This is what machine guns were meant for, and what they excel at.....finishing.
Youve probably seen some Crael pilots do this...thus making them seem overpowered....I think its just that those pilots understand how to use the machine.
When I find myself face to face with a fresh assault, I mostly die.. A heavy, I will usually outlast and get the kill....however....I'm near death by then and usually die during the next encounter.

so with the Crael you have to be careful where you wander, and try to stay close to fresh, because your unique toolset can turn the tide of a game by finishing several kills quickly. Its a matter of hitting the opportunity at the right time.....because in a crael you cant really do Hit and run style....with machine guns you need to stand in front of an opponent for a long time.

So when you do finally unleash things...it needs to be a good advantageous situation, because your going all in. To me its just not a finesse mech, nor is it a tank....its very much an opportunistic mech.

MANY times I guess wrong on the timing of things, and wander into a pack of the enemy....oh Whoops....I know I have no chance, so I just stare one down and and unload everything I have into him and hope I outlast and at least get 1 kill. haha.

[Curccu]

Meep Meep, on 05 January 2023 - 02:26 PM, said:

Or alternately go hang with a direturret and share its ecm.
crd-6t

That would be total waste of crusader, there are way better mechs for that role.

[foamyesque]

The Crael's good because it is can make itself really good at a particular range bracket (short range by design, though people do AC/2 stuff as well) and it has the mobility to put itself in that and keep it there. It's a bit glass-cannony (the arms are big targets and its overall armour isn't the best) but it has some of the best close-range offensive capability in the game on an agile platform.

I wouldn't call it OP, but it's certainly a mech to pay attention to.