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[Rehl]

I am by no means an expert - or even a *good* player. Why does a BAP seem to have no effect against ECM when the description states that BAP "counters ECM". The real sticking point for me is that I can't target - or even fire - my SSRMs with enemy ECM around. Is this by design? Seems like BAP should counter that nonsense to me.

[Ignatius Audene]

Bap does cancel one ecm within 240m. And prevents the low signal status. Maybe u where within 2 ecm radius or the mech u wanted (was your mech equipped with ecm 2?) to target was using stealth. Mechdb wiki is an excellent source.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 03 March 2023 - 05:24 AM.

[sycocys]

IIRC it doesn't counter stealth, which makes streaks more useless than they usually are.

Also its rare to drop into a match that doesn't have at least 4 ecm per side anymore, you only counter one.
-would be a decent idea for a new piece of gear - expanded bap, add some tonnage/crits for expanded counter numbers and/or range and make it switchable like ecm you get more counters or more range for 1 and sensors.

[Ignatius Audene]

Pls dont confuse him more with wrong answers. Read mechdb wiki for full explanation. U are mixing up the two effect of ecm. One is reducing the sensor range. The other is the low signal status on nearby enemy mechs.

https://mwo.nav-alph...rmation-warfare

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 03 March 2023 - 08:34 AM.

[LordNothing]

the best piece of equipment to counter stealth is the lppc. at only twice the price of bap it can make the stealth go away completely for a few seconds. you can also shoot at mechs with it.

Edited by LordNothing, 03 March 2023 - 08:58 AM.

[Meep Meep]

sycocys, on 03 March 2023 - 06:07 AM, said:

IIRC it doesn't counter stealth, which makes streaks more useless than they usually are..

Tag breaks stealth and is a mandatory fit if I'm in the mood for some light hunting. Plus clans have light tag and active probe which is only a half ton each so easy to add in.

[sycocys]

Ignatius Audene, on 03 March 2023 - 08:32 AM, said:

Pls dont confuse him more with wrong answers. Read mechdb wiki for full explanation.

BAP/CAP and UAVs have no effect on stealth armor.
Counters oneenemy ECM within a 239m radius
- pretty positive that if 2 are in the active range of each other or both in the bap the counter ends up being overridden by the ecm.

Edited by sycocys, 03 March 2023 - 03:38 PM.

[LordNothing]

clan players have those lighter units, granted they operate at shorter range and are more used for atms than lerms. but on the is side a bap and a tag is 2.5t, so an lppc is a good alternative. granted i always run bap with locking weapons, thats non-negotiable.

[sycocys]

Meep Meep, on 03 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Tag breaks stealth and is a mandatory fit if I'm in the mood for some light hunting. Plus clans have light tag and active probe which is only a half ton each so easy to add in.

One would have to assume he isn't using tag, or a ppc.

[Ignatius Audene]

He was talking about ecm not stealth. (What he might have mixed up).

But there is rly no shortcut here. Read the wiki at least once, since the infos about sensor range etc. Are extremely valuable.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 06 March 2023 - 02:56 AM.

[Rehl]

Ignatius Audene, on 06 March 2023 - 02:55 AM, said:

He was talking about ecm not stealth. (What he might have mixed up).

No, my question was regarding ECM. However, I would think that BAP could also counter stealth... but I guess it doesn't. Seems like the only sure-fire way to get a lock is with a PPC or TAG. It just seems like there are a few ways to easily nullify BAP.

[Ignatius Audene]

Did u read the link? All facts there

[sycocys]

Rehl, on 10 March 2023 - 08:01 AM, said:

No, my question was regarding ECM. However, I would think that BAP could also counter stealth... but I guess it doesn't. Seems like the only sure-fire way to get a lock is with a PPC or TAG. It just seems like there are a few ways to easily nullify BAP.

There's generally been so much ecm on the field that the mechs I use bap on it's primarily for the information speed boost and second for the range boost. Countering is pretty much an afterthought. It's good to know where to shoot a mech.

[Cyborne Elemental]

I do wish that BAP would function better against ECM.
At least when hitting that 90-120 meter area it should make stealth equiped mechs start producing heat or something.

UAV's also do not detect stealth.

With IS having 5 choices of PPC available, and Clan having ERPPC (slow velocity wtf..) 0.5 ton L-BAP and L-TAG.

Narc spam is the only 100% guarantee of lasting anti-ECM, but awards no bonuses unless its to assist LRM's (barf)